Industrial Internet of Things | Machine Performance and Condition Monitoring System



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The 7 Principles of the Industrial IoT



topic I'd like to talk about is some basic principles as I personally see it as well as my company and many of our partners and customers and then also what we're doing to address these basic principles now from a perspective of a conviction I have if you don't have some basic principles to hold on to in a innovative world in a world that's emerging you can be swayed by anybody's opinion your inter meeting and this guy says that or this girl says this and it's easy to be swayed and get off track so you have to have some fundamental philosophical basis and we hold to these principles that we established about a year and a half ago and are building products and services around them and so far it has been very successful and actually delightful to see how this is taking off so I'm happy to share with you at this great forum sponsored by the Bosh company and I don't quite know how to switch over okay here I like to talk about the seven principles of the IOT and then I want to give you two other 7s so these seven principles there'll be another seven things and another seven things all packed in to 16 minutes and therefore you must take notes because it will be a test at the end of this session in the spirit of educating here and I hope entertaining as well so please let me move on to principle number one it's a statement and an assertion the IOT presents a big analog data problem now what is big analog data well it's big data and I think you've heard big data it has achieved celebrity status but it's of the analog nature most everything in the tea in the IOT of things is pent up analog phenomenon such as vibration such as light such as sound such as location acceleration particulates moisture speed heat and temperature for example all these analog phenomena are digitized is important to know that it's really really big some of my colleagues generate petabytes a day some generates terabytes in just a few seconds that's how big this is so offensive this is very profound if you're dealing with big data if you like big data you're going to like the industrial IOT in the future of IOT as homes and businesses and cities and vehicles are producing this data so big analog data is a term that has been trademarked frankly by the National Instruments company my former employer and it represents what is sourced from nature people and things it is the data from the things ok let's move on quickly to principle number two the IOT offers perpetual connectivity what would you do if you were perpetually connected to your products or perpetually connected to your environment or perpetually connected to your customer the Apple company is perpetually connected to me which is why they tried to convince me to buy the Apple watch so there's a sell out notion of Perpetual connectivity you can monetize that one day I woke up and I turn on my iPhone and the app for the watch was there including an advertisement what was the inference there well you already have the app you might as well buy the watch right that was the inference here so that notion of perpetual connectivity one idea is to sell up but they're really three M's and that was one called monetize the first M is to monitor if you can understand the behavior of your customers and your products there's a lot of value in that next is to maintain and manipulate if you will to add another M flash's upgrades right the Tesla car has that at night it gets you know upgraded with new software etc and then of course monetize we talked about that being able to sell out more product services and advertise there are other benefits but it's a nice way to look at it as you build your business case very quickly moving on IOT data is really real-time many of us there in this audience from the IT world of servers and workstations and networks and we think real time is when the data hits a network switch or when it hits a NIC inside one of the servers so it can be processed well that's not when t0 starts in the IOT t0 starts in the IOT way back at the things and stage 1 and before it even hits IT equipment there's a whole life where it's actually old then so I'm introducing now a four stage template that is several years old it's very durable it's not perfect but it is a great way to talk about this amorphous thing called the IOT solution and let me just describe it very quickly on the left are the things it's end-to-end you need sensors that are the wire to wireless to actually capture data and then you need a way to aggregate it and to do some upfront processing and up some may be decimation or pre-processing or conditioning of the data and that's where the IOT gateway falls in and the data aggregation systems and back da cue systems which are tens of billions of dollar industry you know right now and then it goes over to IT this is where hits IT for the first time a workstation or a server out at a plant or a manufacturing floor computer system and embedded system you know added an energy station or something like that or inside a vehicle and then of course the infamous data center or cloud now I call the cloud on the data center well I call the cloud is just a data center that nobody is supposed to know where it is I think you would agree with me so is nothing mysterious about that so the cloud in the data center are the same so there's this notion of sensor all the way to the cloud which is very possible but there's a lot of business a lot of value and a lot of action that happens in between the thing and the cloud in these stages and that's why this is so fundamental and one can impute visualization as you can see here analytics data flow left-to-right in control flow equally important and what my colleague Andy will talk a lot about controlling things and therefore one can impute management different stacks etc across here some of the winners in IOT will be able to synthesize these and make them seamless for the end user in the customer so back to principle number three this is a real time for IOT dia this is real time for IT data and those who understand the lifecycle from here to here will win how soon do you want to know your asset is going to catch on fire probably really immediately how soon do you want to know if there's a little girl in front of your autonomous vehicle that you're driving at 40 miles an hour it's a little girl it's not a plastic a garbage can how do you soon do you want to know that to take the correct evasive action or the automobile right because clearly someone isn't going to sacrifice their car perhaps to avoid hitting a plastic can but many of us would always agree that to avoid killing someone will sacrifice the vehicle take a different evasive action so do you really have time to go all the way to the cloud and back and that's a very strong phenomenon a very strong principle in this world of cloud intoxication that we have now personally have nothing against cloud I would assert my company has the best cloud offerings in the industry with our partners General Electric with our partners Microsoft Azure etc but the point is there's a big business for doing work here and getting answers here as many in that industry would say so let's move on to number four the insight can therefore related to what I just said be gained in a multiplicity across a spectrum of value and there are four domains of compute effectively and the data insight can have real-time early life in motion at rest and archived many times the data is really at rest by the time it even hits a server or a workstation in this formal definition and here's where it is in motion and and flowing out this is not a perfect model and not worthy of debate necessarily but it shows just the different point of view of data from the IOT versus the IT world you know where I come from three types of insights I like to look at you can drive business insight where's my inventory how long is that line in the manufacturing of the products how long is a line at a retail store of customers lading business insight obviously can be derived but engineering insight how soon will that turbine at a power plant fail or how soon will the robotic arm need maintenance in a manufacturing floor that's engineering insight and scientific insight which I include medical insight is that tumor benign is that a new subatomic particle like CERN the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva discovered a couple of years ago a new subatomic particle by connecting things like particles and and control systems to a network and they created what I would call the scientific internet of things to discover and promote advancement in technology so those three insights are keen and it's good to understand your customers and your business what are you trying to achieve with respect to that not everything is a business insight especially if it's a government lab or a learning institution that wants to use the IOT okay let's move on to number five of seven principles there's a trade-off four domains of compute you can compute and analyze the data at the sensor with smart sensors but that's very rudimentary today contrariwise you can move it over and do it at the IOT gateway most IOT gateways today are low low power atom processors or ARM processors or maybe some proprietary switching and routing processors so they're limited and they're generally closed in this dimension you can go over to traditional IT and servers PC right at the edge and then you can go up to the cloud with of course rows and rows of data farms and data centers to do deep deep analytics therefore if you want a media C of your answer if you want to get a temperature if you want to do a moving average or perhaps the fast Fourier transform a rolling average of something you can get it immediately but that's not very deep if you want depth and for example you need to compare with 17 other sites around the world or seven years of data because there's litigation going on you need depth but it's not going to be fast now this is interesting now listen this is a mutually exclusive objective our customers in the IOT world trading off immediacy with depth of insight and if you can solve a mutually exclusive objective you can catapult your career you can compatible to your company and your customer success and I learned this when I was young when my boss came to me and said make a laptop computer as a lead engineer that battery lasts all day and it's light enough to carry around now that was tough 25 years ago because why because I could make it quite heavy and it would last a long time or I could make it very light in the battery lasts 20 minutes so I told my boss well that's a mutual exclusive that objective I can do one or the other and he said well that's why we hired you is to solve a mutual exclusivity objective 25 years later I'm sharing that lesson with you when you can figure out how to give deep insight fast you will win in many cases and I'm going to share some more very quickly about that okay so there's the trade-off and now number let me move on here in the usual time this ability is an X V if you ever study Big Data you learn that visibility that the the V's on the left variety volume velocity value rating another the visibility why will the edges remote and you need to visualize data you to visualize application stacks which you're going to be more and more complicated so graphics technologies remote desktop technologies like VMware horizon Citrix for example these technologies that are in the data center used for PCs and remote workstations will be imputed at the edge so you can see there's a lot of predictive dimensions with these principles and only just statements but they're predicting what will happen what's the best way to predict the future is to build it right who said that no time to wait I got to keep moving here okay the best way to predict the future right is to invent it right as well so we're asserting that and we're inventing a future here with some of these predictions let me go on to number seven this is the essence of my personal business and a lot of what my company is doing with my partner's here data center class compute which is normally reserved for inside the data center cloud will shift out to the edge that is pretty profound what am I saying here well lots and lots of high-performance server class cores that do deep computing high-performance computing enterprise class manageability data center level virtualization and manageability scalable storage all the stuff that's reserved today in the cushy environment air-conditioned environment of a data center will move to the hostile edge where it must be temperature shock vibration hardened and that's what we mean by shifting left shifting left of course from this four stage diagram high-performance computing virtualization containers are vogue today in the IT roadless IT stuff is moving out to the edge in this ot operational technology world so the combination of IT n ot is fusing and converging together and that's what principle number seven you know it's all about so as I move on here why would you shift left there are seven reasons so take a picture because this will be on the test you it's an open book test so you can use your notes take a picture right latency bandwidth cost security if you go to the cloud it's going to expose you for security reliability corruption compliance and data sovereignty there are some times when data cannot move away from the cloud okay the ads is a model today an IOT solution and I have built these personally and been out there looks like this lots of boxes together we can converge them with the HPE edge line system this is a brand new product category that takes several things such as on the Left high-performance computing data acquisition controls storage manageability remote manageability that's common in the data center build it all into a single box open industry standards this will disrupt like the nature of our discussion today the industry because the industry is low performing the industry is unconverted the industry is closed they're not open architectures and this is a new way of doing things at the IOT edge have you ever built a stereo system like that on the left you have to be a certain age to UM have built that and then you can't find a cable and then you're swearing and it's 3:00 in the morning I don't know if you remember those days ok what did bought what did the bill what did the Bose company and others do they converge a single box you sit on your counter you're bid or may turn on it's done similarly the Android people and Steve Jobs at Apple said why don't I take all these things that you carry around separately and put them on a single platform that's the value of convergence computing at the edge to get deep insights fast and do it with a converged system seven reasons to converge and think about your smartphone if you have an Android or iPhone right seven reasons there's less face less energy less latency Plus cables less deployment time less to buy and less siloing of the world of sensors and data acquisition and IT because you force them to come together and that's the value here

Blockchain Emerges in Process Manufacturing Panel Discussion – ARC Industry Forum 2019 Orlando



so before I can introduce my panelists and I have to make sure that everybody is seeing that I'm it seems that we've got a very small table here so I apologize for that so and I have to make sure that I don't fall off off the stage maybe we can just start with with introductions Matt Gregory founder and CEO of oakum on the end can you please introduce yourself and just say a little bit about your company sure we build a developer tool that makes it really easy for a developer with one or two lines of code to add an immutable identity to a connected device and then anytime that device shares data with another device you had receiver knows that that data came from that device as this relates to blockchain underneath our technology is a blockchain layer and how it relates specifically to supply chain anytime you're dealing with converting the real world into digital information you need to know where that data is originating and what device it's coming from we solve that problem we also have some use cases around manufacturing where a manufacturer might want to as something's coming down the assembly line create an attestation for that device where they're putting and the firmware the bill of materials that they made it and a secure facility you know like micro semi type situations being avoided so so that's another use case for for our technology and why it requires blockchain thanks man so Gary Knights a global project management executive with Ella Mecca Gary can you say a little bit about you you and your company sure thank you my name is Gary Knights I work thanks Andy ulema Co was founded in 2001 by large chemical companies entire companies to automate their supply chains what ulema kit does is we do a lot of pretty heavy-duty si P integration we integrate with the Internet of Things with carriers customers suppliers etc to help automate supply chain operations we have about half a trillion dollars worth of commerce flowing through our network each year and we have you know over 10,000 partners on our network and so our blockchain initiative as a trusted partner of our clients they are always looking to us to help evaluate new technologies and so they asked us to use blockchain to automate some of the processes that we currently automate with existing technologies and so we did a blockchain pilot and we found a couple of things with that I won't go into too much detail here but one of the thoughts was that blockchain could eliminate a lot of the challenges of EDI XML integration we found that really didn't address that but we did see some opportunities along the lines of lineage tracking also smart contracts and my space is in order to cash and so the types of things were thinking we could use blockchain for potentially would be you know automatically generating a payment based on certain events in the order to cash cycle being fulfilled thanks Gary next panelist is Ganesh what of a de chiefs solution expert blockchain for sa P go ahead Ganesh so please talk about your company in blockchain and introduce your sure yeah hello everyone I am in the digital supply chain solution guru market solution management team at sa P SAV is probably most of you are familiar with is an enterprise software solution provider we have solutions for about 25 different industries and all lines of businesses and about 76% of the transactions worldwide the revenue touches SAV systems we provide digital transformation solutions for our customers in all these different industries to become an intelligent enterprise there are several different components of our solution portfolio from an intelligent core to data platform in the cloud along with a set of intelligent technologies which we call a civilian order and under these there are six different pillars IOT AI machine learning Big Data blockchain is one of them and we are working with several customers across multiple industries and I'll talk more about that as we go along thanks Ganesh so Yann Erik Johansson industry leader with data consultancy services when you go up next yeah my name is John Erik Johansson I'm an industry adviser for upstream oil and gas for TCS my role is to look at where can blockchain be applied in oil and gas upstream that said CCS is has already a large tier blockchain practice about 300 practitioners or blockchain and about 100 engagement so far across the financial sectors Bank sectors training in oil and gas we focus particularly on commodity trading and looking at how we can help people secure their trading activities also run supply chain partially from the point of knowing the origin we have seen that they have been coming increasing the amount of equipment coming into the supply chain that are call it in popular term these days fake and that they have been manufactured to look like the real thing but they're not to the specification of the real thing so there is a need for securing that you know where his sources are coming from and tying it down into smart contracts is one of the things that we're looking at thanks John Eric and finally David peccato digital enterprise industry director from Siemens David please tell us about your your background and your solutions and blockchain sure thank you Peter so my background is truly deep in manufacturing in manufacturing execution systems and the reason I'm here today is because we believe that there is also a tight integration and an touch point between what happens in the plans and and what happens in the supply chain so Siemens has initially for our own manufacturing facilities starting to brainstorm a couple of years back on how to leverage supply chain – sorry blockchain to optimize its operations and its processes in the supply chain so we started from there and then we started to think a little bit outside of the box and think okay how can we help our own customers in that space and this mix of OT an IT that we can now provide with our expertise in the plans in the manufacturing floor in data collection leveraging our cloud infrastructure as well we thought that it would be a perfect platform to launch an initiative around trusted trusts ability in food and beverage so so that's what my team has been mostly working on recently from the initial times on mes only now my focus is broadly around all the digital enterprise so starting from PLM topics mes topics automation and then cloud analytics and mine sphere on top but specifically for blockchain what we believe it's important is to understand how to cover these blind spots of the supply chain so these gaps in the supply chain we need truly to have a mix of intelligent and smart data collection pre-processing understanding what happens in these different nodes so it's not only like movement of materials but it's also processing of processing of materials and and we've come come up with an architecture that we'd like to share with the with the industry and understand together how to move forward with that and obviously we are leveraging third-party blockchain platforms as well as our own corporate technology team is starting to build up a more specific one for the industry thanks David so maybe I'll just I'll ask one question before I open it up to the floor which I'm sure you've got lots of questions I want to make sure that all of your questions get answered you are all selected because each of your respective companies are actively engaged in pilots across the industries that we know and love here at a or C so my first question is is given my my very rudimentary technical description of what blockchain is across industry what's really different about this so for the attendees that are that are here today do they have to staff up different skills different teams different partners it does it does the technology landscape look completely different do they do they have to throw out applications and investments that they've already provided so maybe this is just an open question I can start with for the panel if anybody would like to answer it actually there's commonality in what everyone on the panel talked about if you go down to the root of what everyone was getting at there's some sort of identity and identifier or identity that people are tracking of devices or and it's all multi-party scenarios probably the with all the noise that goes on with Bitcoin there's a lot of stuff for everyone to unlearn and the thing to put in that place is blockchains killer feature and that's identity like people talk about the blocks and how it works and people talk about that there's one application for it called Bitcoin but the cool thing in the middle of that is a killer feature around identity and as soon as you have multi part you enter a multi-party situation like you think of a device coming off a supply chain or out of an out of a manufacturer goes through a supply chain it changes identity you know there's many times over and over and over again as it moves to that supply chain but if you can have a single identifier they can be shared regardless of all the permutations of how those parts can be coming out of a factory or if you're in an IOT scenario where you have all the permutations and interconnections between devices if you can have one identity and it's more than just like a sign in a random number or a random identifier to this you know this goes back to it's basically distributed PKI so the identifier is a private key that's held in secret in that hardware and only that device can prove that it is what it is and what that means is you have this concept of a self sovereign identity and a device it's not like it's not a it's that identity is not assigned to it it is that the device can claim what it is and then prove that identity to anyone that interacts with it in – atif and also you then get this immutable record of any sort of transactions that that device has had so you can do who made it firmware updates who controlled it who last switched it and that can be in any sort of permission group you want so I think that's a commonality about what I heard on the panel and also I think you accent specific last your question age assess Thanks so I'll come at it with a slightly different angle so my role is in product management and I'm looking at business problems and how do we solve them so when I think of blockchain I think of blockchain as another technology it solves some problems I spoke with one of our computer science experts and he told me you know how it solves this problem that you know has been unsolvable for for decades you know how do you assure digital identity without a trusted third party and but when I look at blockchain and then how to apply it I think of it it's just another technology like Web Services or api's or XML or ERP or MRP these are all just tools that we have in our toolbox so I think we need to think about okay where is the best place to apply blockchain and there's definitely a lot of places where it can be applied especially with the Internet of Things and you know an edge and in the case of supply chain automation it helps assure the data that we're getting into the algorithms that we run and it like I said and like we see with some of the cases that Peter had shown on the board it can help with things like lineage tracking and smart contracts so I think it's really just another tool in our toolbox and when we did our our pilot with blockchain in terms of the resources needed we use the same we didn't hire any new people we use the same software developers that we always use and we teamed with with with vendors that are expert in blockchain and we leverage their platform work so you can use blockchain without having to recast your whole ID to part that's great thanks Kerry yeah first of all if you're interested in where ASAP is going with blockchain mmm please send an email to block giannetta say P comm it's open to everybody and every quarter we have a call which fits the global time zones and we update everybody has to where we are what is the latest that is AP is doing on the blockchain topic to Peters question our approach is to pronged one is a technology approach the second one is a business use case approach the technology approach is is where we are actively participating in open standards a lot of these blockchain all of the blockchain protocols are open standard so we are on the governing body for Hyper ledger which is a open open standards body for blockchain under the Linux Foundation and our idea is to make sure that the standards are open and and we'll probably talk about later and the problems that could come up with interoperability etc when you have multiple different protocols being used by different participants in in the network so from a use case perspective you blockchain is for use cases where there are multiple parties involved multiple trading partners involved and there's a lack of transparency and usually a lack of trust and blockchain can help address those situations so from a technology perspective we taken a very agnostic approach we provide blockchain services on SAV cloud platform right now our focuses on enterprise lock chains which Peter described as the permission block chains right now we have protocol supporting hyper ledger quorum and multi chain so depending on the business use case you will have to use one or the other protocol and we can get into some of the details later and then we also provide capabilities to bring information on the blockchain into your enterprise to combine with your enterprise data to do analytics predictive analytics machine learning and those kind of advanced analytics tools to understand how you can make use of the blockchain data from the network and this the second part of the technologies we're building business specific applications so like an mes solution or a year P solution depending on the use case for example tracking product provenance could be to counter counterfeit items entering into your blockchain depending on the different industries or streamlining your food recall so that will be building specific business applications that will be leveraging one or the other business protocol and in the back end for the enterprise's to provide the data into the blockchain with the examples that were talked about will provide API is to be able to take the data into the blockchain application to be able to understand how the product is flowing what are the different levels of certification that were introduced into the components that went into the product or the food food ingredients so that in case there is an issue then you can very quickly figure out where things went wrong and how to how to address the situation so very different use cases finance supply chain international trade in industries like pharmaceuticals to manage the counterfeit drugs from entering prevent the counterfeit drugs from entering the supply chain food safety and things of that nature thanks Kadesh anyone else who's going to say that from a gas perspective Nana we are the largest customer of sa P so I don't have to repeat that we using large recipes solutions to implement block chains for where our customers but one of the things that we see a biggest opportunity in oil and gas is one of the larger problems that has tracked us actually has funded a lot of buildings down in the downtown Houston which is joint venture accounting and how do you track land management how do you track contracts and blockchain has the opportunity to solve those fortunate to make a large number of lawyers unemployed but I'm pretty sure that's not anything that people mind so I think it's one of the big opportunities that we see in oil and gas apart from trading and trading of commodities which we are also involved in I would like to add to coming back to the topic of the business requirements because that's something that I'm facing a lot – what I like in particular what what happened with blockchain in the past couple of years is that specifically for example for the food and beverage industry it finally brought up topics that everybody knew that there were issues and everybody knew that they needed to be solved and maybe there is a solution for them even without blockchain but now finally everybody is talking about these issues and and they're finally tackled seriously with with initiatives so we're talking with global Brewers who want to try to get back and understanding why some glass bottles are faulty and understand why and what supplier is providing those – like cosmetics companies that want to understand why some of their products are sold in retailers and they're not supposed to be sold there or many other examples some of them we've seen that the peter has presented earlier but these are really issues that that need to be tackled and blockchain is a way to solve them and we believe it's it's really the right way in terms of trusted trust ability really having the the certain degree of certainty of these transactions of changes of movements of processing of data and finally having the right transparency but regardless what we are trying to do is put together an architecture which solves these issues with the combination of IT and OT as I said before regardless of the specific need of using blockchain and again talking to like the industry and to end customers one thing that a surface is we're not really sure if you are ready to send really all our information publicly available in the blockchain because maybe our consumers are not ready to to to know exactly how much scrap there is in certain products so so yes let's use it let's give a certain degree of transparency let's go there step-by-step let's at least let the consumers know where the materials come from but let's do it in a gradual way let's do it with a combination of private data and public data and I think this combination of IT OT and and blockchain data structure which is as you said provides identity in multiple and transparency is probably the right way to go thanks David I'm sure you've got a hundred questions about blockchain can we anybody have any questions for the panelists you can certainly direct a question at an individual panelist or you can ask the entire panelist to ask your question answer your question hello my name is Minh Kim Mac I'm with a G company in the food and beverage packaging industry I actually have two questions which might be related to each other and it's addressing the whole panel actually because the questions are pretty general my first question would be what would be your advice how a company entering into blockchain should identify the most appropriate use cases meaning how do you get from technology to business value so is there a structure process or are there specific drivers which would define the most appropriate business cases so that would be my question number one and question number two would be in most cases that blockchain is about exchanging information amongst partners or actually allowing transactions between different partners so how do you see the any decision for a new entrant of whether to drive a certain initiative meaning creating ecosystem versus waiting for partners in an existing amongst for example amongst existing value chains than to join actually existing block chains so that's essentially a question about timing I guess yeah so I guess those two questions may be two really it would be interesting to hear you commence but Gary perhaps you start because it specifically touched upon the case of finding the business case okay thank you for that question your first question was about what advice do you have to companies to ID the best use cases for blockchain so I'll answer that in two parts briefly first one is I think rather than going at it with a specific technology in mind I think it's always good to just look at like okay what are the top business problems that you have to solve and figure out how to solve those and then identify what's the appropriate technology now if you had money let's say for block a blockchain initiative and someone said ok you know you have to do something in blockchain I would look towards a problem where you wanted to where you had an issue related to partner identity and you're not sure of the partner identity and maybe go down that that sort of track then related to allowing transactions between partners so you know Allah mica has had a transaction processing Network you know to support intercompany transactions between sa P systems Oracle systems you know any kind of system you can imagine transportation systems and we we've had probably we've probably had over a billion transactions flow through our network you know over the last you know 19 years without using blockchain and we haven't had any sort of issues with security and when it comes to transacting documents and getting them to flow from one system into another and post hands-free there's really I'll simplify and say there's two components to that what one is the security component you know making sure that you're getting the data from who is supposed to be sending it and it's not being spoofed blockchain kind of addresses that but there's other substitute technologies for that the second part and the harder part is basically the data mapping you know it sits in these five fields in Oracle needs to go to these three fields in SA P I call it ABC you call it one two three so blockchain our pilot found the blockchain does not address that those types of topics blockchain is good at the metadata level so maybe you could take a PDF document grab a couple of metadata elements out of it get a get a fingerprint put that on the blockchain and you know that you know when that document was transmitted but it doesn't help with the interoperability aspect from an escapee perspective we have a couple of constructs for for our customers to work with us on the topic of blockchain first of all we have what we call as industry consortiums for blockchain right now we have three industry consortiums one is for high tech industry the second one is for pharmaceutical and life sciences and the third one is for consumer products agribusiness and retail and that's where your use case of food traceability etc falls in and construct here is that these customers of SA P come together with sa P and we conduct workshops to brainstorm different business use cases where they have issues that can potentially be solved with blockchain and so we go through these in day-long workshops and come up with the top ones that are tough to mind for majority of the companies that are in the room then to take into it deeper we provide Design Thinking sessions if you're familiar with design thinking of methodology you start big and with you know blue sky kind of an approach and then you know try to identify who the roles or you know what are they care about and so on so forth so all of this information to engage in this we have to assign a multilateral agreement with sa P and all the different participants all the information shared is available to everybody who's in the consortium so you get to know not only your issues from your angle but also from your peers in your industry and other use cases that that potentially are applicable to you as well and the second part is we have a co Innovation Program where you sign an agreement with sa P ASAP provides free software and we go through a proof of concept we go through in a rapid prototyping phase we built an application and and basically look at what the solution would look like and then we take that further to productize these solutions so so those are the paths that we follow as a result of this we just released lost last month a solution for pharmaceutical industry to to track counterfeit counterfeit drugs from entering into the supply chain from a resale perspective in a couple of months we'll be releasing the solution for food traceability and recall for our consumer products solution industry customers and apart from these we also have other customers who already know this is how they want to use blockchain they have their community of their training partners involved so we have a few initiatives going on one of the customers is going to go live this month very soon here basically they're going to be tracking tuna that's caught in from fishermen in Indonesia and then consumers like you and I go to Whole Foods we can scan a barcode and really know where it came from and their goal is to promote sustainable fishing and fair trade and there's a whole bunch of other things that they're looking at so there are two different you know flavors of this one is work with the industries to find out the use cases the other one is I know what I want to do these are my trading partners I want to build a solution thanks Ganesh so we have added the Theseus solution we call it a quartz solution in our blockchain we have looked at it from another point of view too we start notice and some companies want to do blockchain internally they don't necessarily need to do a consortium if they have internal supply chains have internal networks where these they want to use to verify that their records are going across correctly that to do gathering information that they need to report the government that these are coming from through sources within their organization and it's verified when it gets reported upwards we've also seen in requests for actually providing blockchain as a service so we've looked at property in solutions where we can host and run blockchain as a service for customers in case you do not want to go through the whole effort of building their own solutions and hosting their own blockchain and network or blockchain for the typer ledger or networks so that's another angle that we can take in providing that as a service rather than having you to build your build your own blockchain solution quickly on the business case topic so as I mentioned before some of the issues that are surfacing they have been like identified already in the past maybe the investments have already been justified but solutions have not been found so they're easily to be justified investments which have a tangible impact on cost savings at least this is the impression I'm getting out of like first conversation but happy to like discuss it further with you off record okay maybe I can does that answer your question okay okay here's another question I have so the fact is this is all new I use the term pilots before maybe these aren't pilots and I'm not really giving a justice to what actually you're doing but in terms of commercialization with your respective companies how close are you to launching full blockchain solutions that are readily available fully commercialized can you comment on that anyone yeah I guess so we were a provider of this developer tools and we are live as of today and we can tell what we have our solution and went into market about three weeks ago or a startup full disclosure so we're just getting going with this but you know we're a brand-new company you know going down this road and fixing this problem for developers so we're ready to go okay thanks yes so from an alumnus standpoint I would break it down into two paths my role is in product management so I always look at what can we product eyes and you know rollout to the market is a as a product we can sell and resell over and over again and so we're still evaluating the use cases for that but like Matt said were in position if someone wants to do a custom blockchain pilot we've done it we have blockchain data you know running on our network so we're ready to go with any custom project that someone wants to do and I think promised a beat we got the same same blend of offering as I mentioned we had a pharmaceutical solution that is available on the market the reason for the prioritization of that was come November this year FDA requires all the returned pharmaceutical drugs to the wholesalers before they re entered into the retail supply chain to be authenticated so all the distributors need to be compliant with that FDA regulation so that's what prompted those companies to look at blockchain so that's available today and as I mentioned the farm to consumer solution will be available in May as early adoption and then we're working with several other proof of concepts identifying counterfeit chips and OAM products in high-tech international trade where you have products crossing country boundaries there multiple parties involved lot of manual processes and documents that go back and forth and streamlining that that process we have use cases in utilities and all apart from the other customer that I've talked about on sustainable fishing there is a consortium that is in place now in Southeast Asia this is around sustainable palm oil forming and that's again compliance and regulation driven requirement that the producers and NGOs are looking to use blockchain to be able to track the provenance of the of the palm oil so so that's other initiative that that's under way thanks ganache we have delivered a number of solutions already to some of the customers one of the interesting cases are probably pen but we call it retirement benefits distribution to verify the identity of people that has the money into service the money usually most people like myself I have to send my existent that I been the document that I actually exist every year to my previous company so that I get paid my pension this production makes it little easier because you're uniquely identified that you are there I have the right to it the other thing was is maybe more interesting for high-end retail which was the little shoe company that decided their shoes was so valuable that they needed to verify that they were original they decided to go with the blocks change solution so if you buy one of their shoes there's a little tag you can log into their database and you can verify that you actually have a very verified authentic chute so there's number other solutions which are more in our industry but I thought I'd bring some up that are a little unusual but so there are about if there's a number of them that we have already made commercial and they're running in companies back to the topic pilots I think the key word here is pilot so what what we recommend to do usually is to sit together understand few use cases understand how because until now actually it's the use cases that have kind of to adapt to the blockchain platforms because of the nature and the entity now they are so that's why we are investigating at the moment like different block blockchain platforms one for example is substrate which provide flexibility so it's actually the platform to adapt to the use case instead of vice versa so we need to probably like still we really really together need to go outside of this pilot state and understand how to move forward in a realistic way with blockchain okay thanks I might actually have an insight to build on this I think it's gonna come real quick though and there's a reason why this is a little bit about how modern software is being developed my background it came out of Microsoft's pivot to open-source and I'd love to go start this akhom but if you look at the way software is built right now it's very much you know like the the platform as-a-service was basically you know total failure in the cloud from my opinion now Microsoft failed at it I was at a company called for Roku you started there then you moved to AWS and Google failed at it now everyone's doing it of the structure right so it's all about like modern software is being built in stacks where you're picking your best technology at every layer and you you know you go to you go the cloud to give them structure you get you know MongoDB you you know throw in some blockchain Redis you know and you start building your stack the cool thing about what's happening at blockchain the way it's being built it's using the most modern like developer tools so it's open source it's available on github like you like with our system you write two lines of code and you can register it of ice and then the way block chains work you're not running it I'm from there's no there's no one for us structure to set up you're consuming it all as a service like a server let's architecture you're just calling functions you pay for it and microtransactions and a development team can wrap and prototype in this stuff and like literally a matter of hours and you know maybe they're they start off on their credit card and then you know the pilot gets to some certain stage and they go talk to one of you guys to go to go fund their project but at that points been prototypes and you're off and going so there's very very little developer friction because of the way these new tools have been architected in this space count broadly thanks man I'm not allowed to ask two questions in a row gentleman at the back Dwain kitchenette Suncor got a question on you mentioned the FDA regulation of pharmaceutical is their worldwide standardization with blockchain currently or is that work in progress it's you're talking about standardization on the problem I'm referring to standards in particular yeah that's that's work in progress so you know as Matthew mentioned their open source protocols so hyper ledger is continuously developing their protocol quorum which is a fork from ethelia m– that was developed by JP Morgan Chase that's open source as well more applicable for the finance industry because that's where it originated then there is multi chain which is a fork from Bitcoin we have built some solutions on that the difference between that and others is it doesn't have smart contracts so if you don't need to use smart contracts then that might be the protocol but these standards are developing as we speak and think that's work in progress yeah thank you so not to hog this topic but I can actually pivot what I had previously said so I don't know anything about pharmaceutical standards but just standards in general this is a great landing place for standards like for example there's a D ID spec do centralized identifier x' that is moving into this and this specification has like 60 enterprises that are behind it to standardize identity and attestation of people places and things and a lot of work with the w3c foundation also around Semantic Web and baby I'll basically having self identifiable code and all of these initiatives around standards are accelerated because there is actually a place for them to land you know it's not like you have to in the silo of your big company you know come up with a standard and then get it enough usage then try to go before other companies you can just you know a governing body or if it's something that is kind not a corporation they can come up with a standard they realized that it's something that they need to have industry adoption they can contribute it to the open source and get into people's hands very quickly and then you know kind of at that point like you know just if it's useful people use it and if the standards not then they won't but that's another great area for where this can really quickly break down these barriers of getting these technologies or standards into people's hands just on the topic of standards not specific to blockchain I'll actually take the counterpoint to that Allah mica when we started thought we could get everybody on the same data standard that would make interoperability between companies much easier and we had like probably about 20 major companies it all agreed to do this quickly what we found was no one wants to apply you know even if two companies use the exact same standard or they use the same exact si P version in same s API doc because of how they configure the recipe systems their eye Doc's actually have different data values in them and they call things different things so what we learned in through our experience with integrating thousands and thousands of companies is actually we went just the opposite way we adopted a lack of standardization and we architected our network to be able to basically take AI Docs directly out of Si P take a direct Oracle feed take direct feeds and and perform a network data synchronization at that level because getting companies to change what comes out of their systems natively into a standard format even if they want to do it they often make mistakes so we actually have adapted to a standard as standard less world and we see every new standard that is comes out actually increases the number of degrees of freedom that you have to handle because no one's going to get on that's on that new standard at the same time um okay I'm gonna ask another question here and now you're the experts and I want you to bring me back if I'm taking this in a direction where you don't want it to go so when I first started investing blockchain investigating blockchain which wasn't very long ago I thought you know we're talking about open standard protocol for trusted records and identity transactions permissions identity it almost seems like this is a cybersecurity discussion okay so day one we had several workshops and hundreds of people packed into sessions to talk about securing devices and securing laptops securing PLC's programmable logic controllers is there an avenue of blockchain that is not just at the supply chain visibility level you do you think this blockchain can actually be embedded at the device level in the future or this year what do you think about that that's actually exactly what we do yeah so our technology you can put a private key into hardware and that that device can serve like as like a service-oriented architecture we call it trust story and architecture can serve that identity to any other device and then sign data that comes out of it so yeah there's a bunch of people kind of work in this area on different on different tasks okay so this is really another use case I didn't want to take this in another direction but so cybersecurity is another aspect at the whether you're securing the the lock on your door of your home or a building or access to a programmable logic controller in a plant this is another application for blockchain yeah commit and basically here's how it works the if you have if you beasts and I'll actually start with Bitcoin right if you have the cool thing about Bitcoin the way it works like you don't have to have anyone in the middle you can have two people and they have owned a certain asset and you can transfer it from this thing to that thing I literally just described data going between PLC's and you know skp systems or whatever it is right so this the ability to transfer something of value in this case between two devices and them to be able to know that they are transferring to that device is and this kind of where I go that the killer I feature of watch changes identity because that's where it all starts so once you have identity then you can figure out how those identities can trust each other then you can figure out interoperability on top of that so any sort of command and control any sort of firmware updates you know that then that covers like a lot of security so I would kind of describe it as security is one of the benefits but instead of taking an approach that you're locking something down to keep things out it's just a lot easier just to trust because you are certain that one server or application or device is talking to another and actually the there's a great project that Microsoft is working on around human identity in the space that I encourage everyone to go look up super cool it's like a satya levallois initiative you know i think that we see the identity and particular carrying when you are multiple areas in ordering gas safety is one big issue and one of the things you have to be certified for a number of tasks you can do after the big accident in the Gulf of Mexico the government now requires that you are certified for the task you are supposed to do when you go offshore to the platform not just that you have done the safety training if you're a welder you have to be certified to perform that well on that particular platform and it has to be done if you're doing it for shell one day and for Chevron day another both have to certify you that you can do that today they are pretty cumbersome because you have to carry multiple certification from multiple companies we see that the Identity Management becomes very very strong case for this and I think the other thing we talked about before we started here was some car manufacturers particularly the one of the high-end ones and Porsche has decided to use blockchain as a wave to communicate to driverless cars from the center so that takes sure that the communication from the center that it gets to the car that contains the command to what to do next is actually authenticated and identify the encounter through identity so it's interesting that proxy exactly potential becoming a transmission type security protocol yeah I agree with the security exactly as you pointed out and I think one of my observations with blockchain and Bitcoin if you think about the data that is transferred in a Bitcoin it's basically two data values it's a number and a unit of measure you know it's basically a hundred dollars and that's pretty much it and sometimes I think people thought that because blockchain works well for because Bitcoin works that way that blockchain could that be applied to any type of complex data transfer but one of the problems if you're dealing with like a 1,000 line purchase order that has you know product descriptions and all these different data elements blockchain doesn't address those data elements getting from one system to another so I think that's the part that blockchain doesn't do well but blockchain is excellent for the digital security all I wanted to add to this point before is cyber security blockchain together lots of good reasons without compromising too much speed of accessing data and so on so that's like what needs to be probably investigated at this point any other questions okay so yeah hi thank you gentlemen very productive conversation my name is Casey macabre I'm with the site Aramco oil and gas company we are working actively in the blockchain space and and we have multiple partners we have done the exercise of going across the company to look for high-value use cases that we can do blockchain in however one of my observations is that a blockchain is a sky's the limit you can do a lot but you need those partners with you to be ready as well right and and and this is an issue if you in your space or in your industry if you're trying to roll our solutions that's multiple partner it has to be otherwise you can do it just with an interface and those partners are not ready what do you do this to me can be a major killer for blockchain you have all these great ideas you can do a lot with it but you know you're interacting with the government interacting with organizations other companies whatever they're not profit based some of them they're not driven by the same motivations as you are efficiency visibility whatever how do you get how do you get everybody to be on the same on the same side yeah that's a good question you know it comes down to sharing information and if you spread your spectrum far enough from an end-to-end perspective all the multiple tiers of the supply chain as you go more and more upstream you need the data from them but they don't need the data from you all right so so we are discussing this specifically in the the food recall and food quality discussions with our customers and we it's a work in progress right now for this particular scenario where we're looking at how do you incentivize the different parties to to participate right so so maybe the consumer consuming company has high stakes for having that data so they pay for those party participants who are going to put the data on the blockchain just an exam is an example for example I'm a food manufacturer I have to make sure that you know if there is any issue in my entire end-to-end supply chain and I'm liable for that so I am highly incentivized to get all the data but a former I mean he could care less so but if there are situations where you can incentivize for fair trade or sustainability they may be willing to put the data for a small cost so those are some commercial discussions that we are having with our customers and nothing really concrete yet but that'sthat's definitely one of the hurdles that need to be overcome depending on the industry and the use case and the other thing is that we come across is even though they are willing to participate the discussion comes down to what am I going to share so in the food industry they don't want to share their recipe even though the recipe ingredients are the ones which probably have contaminated so you can really pinpoint what went wrong with what ingredients so so those are some other discussions that that come up that we've seen and but yeah it's use case by use case industry by industry discussion I think it comes to back a little bit to the discussion we had here with Peter in that room next door in the previous session change management is a big part answers the question what's in it for me if you can't answer that for both all the parties is gonna have a really hard time implementing it so I think that's a I don't have a no you call it rabbit out of my hat to do that but it's just a process to go through the change management and trying to figure out what's in it for the various parties with with all the issues that I agree with in food companies for example sharing like information and so on but I think like building up a community is probably the way forward or one of the way forwards we try to do it in the past with other topics and it worked quite well I know for example as an example edible oils companies are coming together to discuss specifically these topics so they've overcome a little bit some of the hurdles of like protection of their information and so on because they realized we do have common issues we do have common problems we are all like suppliers and consumers of each other let's try to find a way together to solve it and use blockchain as as as like the topic that we need to investigate so that that's how I would like suggest to proceed other questions from the audience okay I think we've got it oh one more right at the very back gentlemen Colin NC with Hitachi van Tara I I'm not as technically savvy about blockchain so this is maybe just say it's not an issue but I've heard that with the public and private sort of discussion around what different blockchains you can have a public flogging in private that you can especially in the private version you can have people join but then the question comes up if people then leave and then want to come back and actually participate there's a challenge there in terms of the immutable ledger and then baking basically breaking that chain and then people coming back into it but I don't know whether maybe that is not an issue but I've heard that could be an issue does that make sense I'm not aware of that specifically being an issue like one issue we've seen that sort of related that might be lets say you pass an invoice document through and it has and it's incorrect and then you want to reverse the invoice somehow you know how do you go ahead and undo a document that that is passed through right and that's an issue that's still an open question that we have I don't know if anyone solved that and that's sort of the that's the that's the basic premise basically so that specific problem you would let's you wrote something it was incorrect you with that just rewrite so there's like you know and I like create read update delete crud format of dealing with databases there's no real update so but which is actually a feature this kind of goes back to picking there's the earlier question around take it the technology you know I do the other way around find a problem and then figure a tool one of the benefits of watch-chain is there is no update so what you end up doing is you write something let's say it's incorrect or you know needs to be updated you don't write it again and then you have a record of five days ago is written today it was written today is the correct version so that's basically how you get around that and that's either a feature of a bug depending on you know what application you're working on and write it sometimes that's like the great like that's a great thing right and that's why the benefits um any other questions oh just one thing to add and is but I know where you're going to is is like the way we all should be and I think your answer is really pointing in that direction but it's truly this mix of private and public data that needs to be investigated further because as I was mentioning before maybe the reality is we need to like compromise on certain things and and and have a set of data which is still private and give and give them and give the industry and the customers the possibility to choose what is the data that needs to be public versus private and if this is enabled then possibilities of lie created in things are kind of allowed within the boundaries of what regulations and standards need to be and this also comes back to the previous point so there is a thin line that needs to be investigated there so on this topic you know encryption is still thing and the way people encrypt data for only certain recipients where you have to have the private key basically you would send someone you could write a message and you could say I know who this is to supposed to get this because I know their public key and the only way you can unlock that is with the private key C then you then you can get around that so all that I mean it's basically I just described how HTTPS works you know like every website that we ever use uses this and why you can bank online so so that method is still this is still there and I think course you can remember what you're pointing out that there is also a winding gulf between US and Europe in terms of what is allowed to be collected and not collected in terms of data so going forward we have to be very sensitive if you're building across Atlantic solution what data can you contain what data can you keep and that has to come into the discussion of what can we put in the records of the blockchain can it be their temporary can it be be kept and to your point if I put that in a document that you have to keep going on forward if the person leaves it comes back what data am I allowed to retain how does he come back into it and it's going to become a critical issue to look at as well okay so one one questions next twelve months at AARC we're gonna have another session on blockchain what's gonna happen in the next 12 months what do you expect there will be four developments or is that we're really just going to start to see exponential growth and applications so so we have roadmap plans to release certain solutions in blockchain this year so the one I mentioned is coming in May and then we plan to have one or two more solutions it's all under discussion right now and we're just talking supply chain right now but we are also looking at other use cases from personal identification to finance there are a lot of use cases in finance and if not this year maybe next year we see the intersection of these different use cases for example if you're talking about international trade yes you have the buyer yeah the consign II you're the seller you're the consign II freight forwarders and customs and all involved end of the day you need to settle the trade so there are fine and financial use cases that can be used from a blockchain perspective introducing day sales outstanding preventing supplier payment frauds and a lot of different use cases that we are looking at so we look we are looking at continuing to work with our customers to look at more of these use cases proof of concepts and then have some live customers the first one coming up later this month okay thanks I think that you I was here for last years and I think they were we're talking at more at the technical level today we have lots of things going on you had a little picture up there about moving up the curve I think we're gonna crossing the chasm and I think you'll start seeing some real implementations they might not be huge but the really real function of presentation I think the one that's pretty far ahead is the one that you mentioned in the North Sea the trading system for commodities and that is going to expand we know that both large companies like she'll and are looking at complete new training system on a global basis to be based on this I think we're we're pretty much on the cusp and I think we'll start seeing some real use cases next year thanks Yannick maybe one thing I think in one year here you'll probably have many more sessions about this topic number one and number two things are moving really fast and like just to give everybody an example in Hannover the large industrial tradeshow Siemens will have a dedicated area of the huge booth that we have there – trusted trust ability and the reason why I'm mentioning it besides to let you know is because for Siemens this is a big thing I mean usually we kind of move a little bit slower in certain directions but the fact that we have dedicating an area to this topic is because we're really detecting a lot of attention all of this sad I think like quoting and like some consulting companies that talk about pilot purgatory I think will probably be right in the middle of that next year so and and and the challenge for all of us will be to move out of that into something which is really tangible and usable and and and ready to be rolled out I think we heard mentioned earlier in some session if I remember early to mine was in Monday or whatever that trustworthiness I think that was in term used and I think you're seeing some of the answers to trustworthiness here and that's another reason I think this will grow pretty rap very rapidly I think we've seen the same thing it has from last year is gone this sped up I mean people are looking for pilots people hiring people people are doing things to get after it and it's moving really really quickly one of the projects product development projects I'm working on relates to business controls for European v80 invoices so I'm evaluating using a sidechain to basically capture a fingerprint of v80 invoices so that we can have another level of assurance okay okay thank you very much please join me in thanking our wonderful panelists I encourage all of you to seek them out and ask them any questions thank you for attending