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HAPPY WEEKEND, MY FRIEND.>>YOU TOO.>>YOU TOO.>>AND THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR>>AND THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR JOINING US THIS HOUR. JOINING US THIS HOUR. HAPPY FRIDAY. HAPPY FRIDAY. TODAY IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE TODAY IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN WAS BACK IN FEDERAL COURT WHILE WAS BACK IN FEDERAL COURT WHILE HIS LEGAL TEAM WAS BACK IN COURT HIS LEGAL TEAM WAS BACK IN COURT ON HIS BEHALF. ON HIS BEHALF. PAUL MANAFORT HIMSELF ELECTED PAUL MANAFORT HIMSELF ELECTED NOT TO COME TO COURT PERSONALLY NOT TO COME TO COURT PERSONALLY TODAY. TODAY. HE INSTEAD STAYED HOME. HE INSTEAD STAYED HOME. HIS NEW HOME THE LAST SEVERAL HIS NEW HOME THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS NOW HAS BEEN THE FEDERAL MONTHS NOW HAS BEEN THE FEDERAL JAIL IN ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA. JAIL IN ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA. AFTER WHAT HAS JUST BEEN A AFTER WHAT HAS JUST BEEN A REMARKABLE WEEK IN THE COURTS REMARKABLE WEEK IN THE COURTS THIS WEEK, WHICH STARTED WITH THIS WEEK, WHICH STARTED WITH PROSECUTORS IN THE SPECIAL PROSECUTORS IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE DECLARING THAT COUNSEL’S OFFICE DECLARING THAT PAUL MANAFORT HAD BEEN LYING TO PAUL MANAFORT HAD BEEN LYING TO THEM, SAYING HE WAS IN BREACH OF THEM, SAYING HE WAS IN BREACH OF HIS COOPERATION AGREEMENT, THE HIS COOPERATION AGREEMENT, THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THEN PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THEN BRAGGING PUBLICLY THAT THEY’D BRAGGING PUBLICLY THAT THEY’D BEEN USING PAUL MANAFORT AS A BEEN USING PAUL MANAFORT AS A WAY TO GATHER INTELLIGENCE ON WAY TO GATHER INTELLIGENCE ON WHAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WAS UP WHAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WAS UP TO IN THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. TO IN THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. MANAFORT HAD BEEN SECRETLY MANAFORT HAD BEEN SECRETLY INFORMING THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT INFORMING THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT HIS INTERACTIONS WITH HIS INTERACTIONS WITH PROSECUTORS SINCE HE SUPPOSEDLY PROSECUTORS SINCE HE SUPPOSEDLY BECAME THEIR COOPERATING BECAME THEIR COOPERATING WITNESS. WITNESS. AFTER ALL THAT THIS WEEK, WHAT AFTER ALL THAT THIS WEEK, WHAT WE LEARNED TODAY ABOUT MANAFORT WE LEARNED TODAY ABOUT MANAFORT IN COURT IS THAT HE’S NOT IN COURT IS THAT HE’S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SENTENCED ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SENTENCED UNTIL MARCH, MARCH 5th, WHICH UNTIL MARCH, MARCH 5th, WHICH MEANS A LOT MORE TIME AT HOME, MEANS A LOT MORE TIME AT HOME, HIS CURRENT HOME, WHICH IS JAIL. HIS CURRENT HOME, WHICH IS JAIL. THAT SAID, NEXT WEEK, A WEEK THAT SAID, NEXT WEEK, A WEEK FROM TODAY, THE SPECIAL FROM TODAY, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAYS THAT THEY COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAYS THAT THEY WILL TURN IN TO THE COURT IN WILL TURN IN TO THE COURT IN MANAFORT’S CASE, THEY’RE GOING MANAFORT’S CASE, THEY’RE GOING TO SUBMIT THEIR DETAILED TO SUBMIT THEIR DETAILED ACCOUNTING OF HOW EXACTLY ACCOUNTING OF HOW EXACTLY MANAFORT HAS BEEN LYING TO THEM, MANAFORT HAS BEEN LYING TO THEM, HOW HE BREACHED HIS COOPERATION HOW HE BREACHED HIS COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH THEM. AGREEMENT WITH THEM. THIS WEEK, BETWEEN THE MANAFORT THIS WEEK, BETWEEN THE MANAFORT EXPLOSION AND THE MICHAEL COHEN EXPLOSION AND THE MICHAEL COHEN GUILTY PLEA ABOUT TRUMP TOWER GUILTY PLEA ABOUT TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW YESTERDAY, WE HAVE MOSCOW YESTERDAY, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD QUITE THE ROLL-OUT ALREADY HAD QUITE THE ROLL-OUT THIS WEEK FROM THE SPECIAL THIS WEEK FROM THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE ABOUT WHAT COUNSEL’S OFFICE ABOUT WHAT THEY’VE GOT AND WHO ELSE SHOULD THEY’VE GOT AND WHO ELSE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THE EVIDENCE BE WORRIED ABOUT THE EVIDENCE THAT ROBERT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM THAT ROBERT MUELLER AND HIS TEAM HAVE ASSEMBLED. HAVE ASSEMBLED. WELL, NOW WE KNOW AS OF THIS WELL, NOW WE KNOW AS OF THIS COURT APPEARANCE TODAY THAT AT COURT APPEARANCE TODAY THAT AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK, NEXT THE END OF NEXT WEEK, NEXT FRIDAY FROM TODAY, WE’RE GOING FRIDAY FROM TODAY, WE’RE GOING GET A BIG NEW DOSE OF THAT AS IT GET A BIG NEW DOSE OF THAT AS IT PERTAINS TO PAUL MANAFORT, THE PERTAINS TO PAUL MANAFORT, THE PRESIDENT’S JAILED CAMPAIGN PRESIDENT’S JAILED CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN. BUT HERE’S THE THING. BUT HERE’S THE THING. EVEN BEFORE THEN, ON TUESDAY, EVEN BEFORE THEN, ON TUESDAY, WE’RE GOING GET YET MORE BECAUSE WE’RE GOING GET YET MORE BECAUSE ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK, THAT’S ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK, THAT’S THE DEADLINE FOR MUELLER’S THE DEADLINE FOR MUELLER’S PROSECUTORS TO FILE THEIR PROSECUTORS TO FILE THEIR MEMORANDUM IN AID OF SENTENCING MEMORANDUM IN AID OF SENTENCING FOR MICHAEL FLYNN. FOR MICHAEL FLYNN. MIKE FLYNN IS, OF COURSE, THE MIKE FLYNN IS, OF COURSE, THE FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE PLEAD GUILTY LAST YEAR TO HE PLEAD GUILTY LAST YEAR TO LYING TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS LYING TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS ABOUT HIS CONTACTS WITH THE ABOUT HIS CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, CONTACTS IN RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, CONTACTS IN WHICH HE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBLE WHICH HE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBLE LIFTING OF U.S. SANCTIONS LIFTING OF U.S. SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA. AGAINST RUSSIA. NEXT WEEK ON TUESDAY WE ARE NEXT WEEK ON TUESDAY WE ARE GOING TO GET A WHOLE NEW GOING TO GET A WHOLE NEW NARRATIVE FROM MUELLER’S OFFICE NARRATIVE FROM MUELLER’S OFFICE ABOUT FLYNN’S CRIME, HIS ABOUT FLYNN’S CRIME, HIS COOPERATION, OR LACK THEREOF, COOPERATION, OR LACK THEREOF, AND ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO AND ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO SHARE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT SHARE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WILL BE OF RELEVANCE TO WHAT WILL BE OF RELEVANCE TO WHAT KIND OF SENTENCE HE’S GOING TO KIND OF SENTENCE HE’S GOING TO ULTIMATELY END UP GETTING. ULTIMATELY END UP GETTING. AND IT SORT OF COULDN’T COME AT AND IT SORT OF COULDN’T COME AT A BETTER TIME BECAUSE ALL OF A A BETTER TIME BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW, THIS WEEK, WE THE SUDDEN NOW, THIS WEEK, WE THE PUBLIC JUST GOT A MUCH CLEARER PUBLIC JUST GOT A MUCH CLEARER AND FRANKLY, MUCH MORE WORRYING AND FRANKLY, MUCH MORE WORRYING VIEW OF THE CRIME THAT MIKE VIEW OF THE CRIME THAT MIKE FLYNN PLEAD. FLYNN PLEAD. TO AND MAYBE EVEN WHY HE MIGHT TO AND MAYBE EVEN WHY HE MIGHT HAVE DONE IT. HAVE DONE IT. SO I THINK HE WAS WORTH SORT OF SO I THINK HE WAS WORTH SORT OF FOCUSING ON PRETTY INTENTLY. FOCUSING ON PRETTY INTENTLY. NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF BUTTONING NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF BUTTONING UP OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WEEK, UP OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WEEK, BUT WHAT’S ABOUT TO COME NEXT. BUT WHAT’S ABOUT TO COME NEXT. WE KNOW MORE SHOES ARE GOING TO WE KNOW MORE SHOES ARE GOING TO DROP. DROP. WE KNOW WE’RE GOING GET A BUNCH WE KNOW WE’RE GOING GET A BUNCH OF MORE INFORMATION FROM THE OF MORE INFORMATION FROM THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. NEXT FEW DAYS. FOCUS IN ON THIS FLYNN THING FOR FOCUS IN ON THIS FLYNN THING FOR JUST A SECOND. JUST A SECOND. MIKE FLYNN HAD SOME UNUSUAL MIKE FLYNN HAD SOME UNUSUAL RUSSIA TIES DURING THE CAMPAIGN, RUSSIA TIES DURING THE CAMPAIGN, RIGHT? RIGHT? HE HAD VISITED RUSSIA AT THE HE HAD VISITED RUSSIA AT THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT’S BEHEST, RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT’S BEHEST, JUST AS TRUMP WAS DECLARING HIS JUST AS TRUMP WAS DECLARING HIS RUN FOR PRESIDENT. RUN FOR PRESIDENT. SOON AFTER HE GOT BACK RUSSIA, SOON AFTER HE GOT BACK RUSSIA, HE SIGNED UP TO JOIN TRUMP’S HE SIGNED UP TO JOIN TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE. CAMPAIGN, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE. MIKE FLYNN HAD BEEN A REGISTERED MIKE FLYNN HAD BEEN A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT. DEMOCRAT. IT LATER EMERGED THAT FLYNN NOT IT LATER EMERGED THAT FLYNN NOT ONLY SAT WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AT ONLY SAT WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AT A GALA EVENT ON THAT RUSSIA A GALA EVENT ON THAT RUSSIA TRIP, HE ALSO LED A STANDING TRIP, HE ALSO LED A STANDING OVATION FOR THE RUSSIAN OVATION FOR THE RUSSIAN PRESIDENT AT THAT GALA EVENT. PRESIDENT AT THAT GALA EVENT. HE WAS ALSO PAID BY THE RUSSIAN HE WAS ALSO PAID BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO ATTEND THAT EVENT. GOVERNMENT TO ATTEND THAT EVENT. THEY PAID ALL EXPENSES FOR HIM THEY PAID ALL EXPENSES FOR HIM AND HIS SON, AND THEN THEY PAID AND HIS SON, AND THEN THEY PAID HIM A PRETTY GOOD FEE ON TOP OF HIM A PRETTY GOOD FEE ON TOP OF THAT. THAT. FLYNN INITIALLY DENIED IT, BUT FLYNN INITIALLY DENIED IT, BUT IT WAS ALL LATER PROVEN OUT, AND IT WAS ALL LATER PROVEN OUT, AND THEN HE ADMITTED IT. THEN HE ADMITTED IT. THEN IN THE PRESIDENTIAL THEN IN THE PRESIDENTIAL TRANSSING, AFTER TRUMP WON, TRANSSING, AFTER TRUMP WON, FLYNN, AS THE DESIGNATED FLYNN, AS THE DESIGNATED NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER FOR THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION, HE THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION, HE CONTACTED THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT CONTACTED THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MULTIPLE TIMES TO TALK TO THEM MULTIPLE TIMES TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT U.S. GOVERNMENT SANCTIONS ABOUT U.S. GOVERNMENT SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA TO ENCOURAGE AGAINST RUSSIA TO ENCOURAGE RUSSIA AT ONE POINT NOT TO RUSSIA AT ONE POINT NOT TO RETALIATE AGAINST NEW MEASURE RETALIATE AGAINST NEW MEASURE THAT WERE TAKEN AGAINST RUSSIA THAT WERE TAKEN AGAINST RUSSIA BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN RESPONSE TO RUSSIA MESSING WITH RESPONSE TO RUSSIA MESSING WITH OUR ELECTION. OUR ELECTION. FLYNN IS THE GUY WHO CALLED THEM FLYNN IS THE GUY WHO CALLED THEM AND SAID BASICALLY, DON’T HIT AND SAID BASICALLY, DON’T HIT BACK. BACK. DON’T WORRY. DON’T WORRY. TRUMP IS GOING TO BE IN THERE TRUMP IS GOING TO BE IN THERE SOON. SOON. I’M GOING TO BE IN THERE SOON, I’M GOING TO BE IN THERE SOON, AND THEN YOU WON’T HAVE ANYTHING AND THEN YOU WON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. TO WORRY ABOUT. WE’RE GOING TAKE CARE OF ALL THE WE’RE GOING TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SANCTION. SANCTION. THAT’S WHAT THE FBI AND FEDERAL THAT’S WHAT THE FBI AND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS CAME TO KNOW THAT PROSECUTORS CAME TO KNOW THAT MIKE FLYNN HAD DONE. MIKE FLYNN HAD DONE. BUT HE LIED ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AT BUT HE LIED ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AT THE TIME. THE TIME. HE DENIED THAT HE WAS HAVING ANY HE DENIED THAT HE WAS HAVING ANY SUCH CONVERSATIONS. SUCH CONVERSATIONS. AND THEN HE APPARENTLY LIED TO AND THEN HE APPARENTLY LIED TO THE FBI ABOUT IT WHEN THEY CAME THE FBI ABOUT IT WHEN THEY CAME CALLING TOO. CALLING TOO. THAT’S WHAT HE ENDED UP PLEADING THAT’S WHAT HE ENDED UP PLEADING GUILTY TO. GUILTY TO. AND WE’RE GOING TO LEARN MORE AND WE’RE GOING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT ON TUESDAY, FINALLY, ABOUT THAT ON TUESDAY, FINALLY, IN OPEN COURT. IN OPEN COURT. BUT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN BUT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING HARD TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING HARD TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE FLYNN CASE. ABOUT THE FLYNN CASE. THIS HAS BEEN A REAL FOCUS FOR THIS HAS BEEN A REAL FOCUS FOR CRITICS OF THE MUELLER CRITICS OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION ON THE RIGHT. INVESTIGATION ON THE RIGHT. I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY’RE GOING I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY’RE GOING TO ANSWER WHAT WE’VE NOW LEARNED TO ANSWER WHAT WE’VE NOW LEARNED ABOUT THIS SITUATION, BUT WE NOW ABOUT THIS SITUATION, BUT WE NOW HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE, RIGHT? OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE, RIGHT? THE BIG QUESTION ABOUT FLYNN, THE BIG QUESTION ABOUT FLYNN, AND THIS IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN AND THIS IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN RAISED OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY RAISED OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY CRITICS OF THE MUELLER CRITICS OF THE MUELLER PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. BIG QUESTION. BIG QUESTION. WHY DID MIKE FLYNN LIE ABOUT WHY DID MIKE FLYNN LIE ABOUT THIS STUFF? THIS STUFF? I MEAN, HE WAS THE DESIGNATED I MEAN, HE WAS THE DESIGNATED INCOMING NATIONAL SECURITY INCOMING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. ADVISER. IT WAS A LITTLE WEIRD. IT WAS A LITTLE WEIRD. IT’S POTENTIAL LAY LOGAN ACT IT’S POTENTIAL LAY LOGAN ACT VIOLATION FOR THE INCOMING VIOLATION FOR THE INCOMING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO BE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO BE CALLING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, CALLING A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, UNDERMINING EXISTING U.S. POLICY UNDERMINING EXISTING U.S. POLICY AND THE EXISTING U.S. PRESIDENT. AND THE EXISTING U.S. PRESIDENT. IT’S A LITTLE WEIRD. IT’S A LITTLE WEIRD. BUT THE LOGAN ACT HAS NEVER BEEN BUT THE LOGAN ACT HAS NEVER BEEN ACTUALLY USED TO PROSECUTE ACTUALLY USED TO PROSECUTE ANYBODY. ANYBODY. AND GIVEN THAT FLYNN WASN’T JUST AND GIVEN THAT FLYNN WASN’T JUST SOME AVERAGE CITIZEN, HE REALLY SOME AVERAGE CITIZEN, HE REALLY WAS THE INCOMING NATIONAL WAS THE INCOMING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, IT WOULD BE A SECURITY ADVISER, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE WEIRD, BUT IT WOULDN’T BE LITTLE WEIRD, BUT IT WOULDN’T BE THAT WEIRD FOR HIM TO BE MAKING THAT WEIRD FOR HIM TO BE MAKING THOSE KINDS OF CALLS WITH THOSE KINDS OF CALLS WITH RUSSIA. RUSSIA. POLICY IS ABOUT TO CHANGE. POLICY IS ABOUT TO CHANGE. CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU’RE CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU’RE MEASURING WHAT YOUR RESPONSE MEASURING WHAT YOUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE TO THIS LATEST ACTION SHOULD BE TO THIS LATEST ACTION FROM THE LAME DUCK OUTGOING FROM THE LAME DUCK OUTGOING PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. IT’S A LITTLE WEIRD. IT’S A LITTLE WEIRD. IT’S NOT THAT WEIRD. IT’S NOT THAT WEIRD. BUT FOR SOME REASON MIKE FLYNN BUT FOR SOME REASON MIKE FLYNN FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING SOMETHING FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING SOMETHING WITH THOSE CALLS THAT COULD NOT WITH THOSE CALLS THAT COULD NOT COME OUT. COME OUT. FOR SOME REASON, HE FELT LIKE HE FOR SOME REASON, HE FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING SOMETHING THAT REALLY WAS DOING SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE SECRET. NEEDED TO BE SECRET. AND IT WASN’T JUST HIM. AND IT WASN’T JUST HIM. THAT’S HOW THEY ALL WERE ON THIS THAT’S HOW THEY ALL WERE ON THIS ISSUE OF RUSSIAN SANCTIONS. ISSUE OF RUSSIAN SANCTIONS. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER K.T. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER K.T. McFARLAND. McFARLAND. SHE WAS A NEWS EXECUTIVE AND FOR SHE WAS A NEWS EXECUTIVE AND FOR A HOT MINUTE BECAME THE DEPUTY A HOT MINUTE BECAME THE DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL UNDER MIKE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL UNDER MIKE FLYNN. FLYNN. DURING TERMS OF TRANSITION AT DURING TERMS OF TRANSITION AT THE TIME, WE KNOW K.T. McFARLAND THE TIME, WE KNOW K.T. McFARLAND WAS IN ON WHAT FLYNN WAS DOING WAS IN ON WHAT FLYNN WAS DOING ON THESE CALLS TO RUSSIA. ON THESE CALLS TO RUSSIA. SHE KNEW HE WAS TALKING TO THE SHE KNEW HE WAS TALKING TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ABOUT LIFTING RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ABOUT LIFTING SANCTION, BUT NEVERTHELESS, SHE SANCTION, BUT NEVERTHELESS, SHE LIED ABOUT IT TOO. LIED ABOUT IT TOO. SHE LIED ABOUT IT FAMOUSLY TO SHE LIED ABOUT IT FAMOUSLY TO THE SENATE UNDER OATH, WHICH THE SENATE UNDER OATH, WHICH SCUTTLED HER CHANCES OF BECOMING SCUTTLED HER CHANCES OF BECOMING AN AMBASSADOR. AN AMBASSADOR. THAT’S WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO THAT’S WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO WITH HER AFTER FLYNN HAD TO WITH HER AFTER FLYNN HAD TO RESIGN AND HE PLEAD GUILTY. RESIGN AND HE PLEAD GUILTY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF K.T. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF K.T. McFARLAND AND HER LYING ABOUT McFARLAND AND HER LYING ABOUT THIS RUSSIAN SANCTIONS THIS RUSSIAN SANCTIONS DISCUSSION, REPORTER SHANE DISCUSSION, REPORTER SHANE HARRISON AND DEVLIN BARRETT AT HARRISON AND DEVLIN BARRETT AT “THE WASHINGTON POST” HAD THIS “THE WASHINGTON POST” HAD THIS REMARKABLE, REMARKABLE PIECE REMARKABLE, REMARKABLE PIECE ABOUT HER BACK IN SEPTEMBER. ABOUT HER BACK IN SEPTEMBER. IT DIDN’T GET THAT MUCH IT DIDN’T GET THAT MUCH ATTENTION AT THE TIME, BUT IT ATTENTION AT THE TIME, BUT IT NOW TURNS OUT I THINK TO BE NOW TURNS OUT I THINK TO BE PRETTY IMPORTANT. PRETTY IMPORTANT. IN THAT PIECE IN “THE WASHINGTON IN THAT PIECE IN “THE WASHINGTON POST” IN SEPTEMBER, WE LEARNED POST” IN SEPTEMBER, WE LEARNED THAT NOT ONLY DID K.T. McFARLAND THAT NOT ONLY DID K.T. McFARLAND LIE TO THE SENATE ABOUT THOSE LIE TO THE SENATE ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH RUSSIA ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WITH RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTION, SHE LIED TO THE FBI SANCTION, SHE LIED TO THE FBI ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS TOO. ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS TOO. QUOTE, A FORMER TOP WHITE HOUSE QUOTE, A FORMER TOP WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL K.T. McFARLAND HAS OFFICIAL K.T. McFARLAND HAS REVISED HER STATEMENT TO REVISED HER STATEMENT TO INVESTIGATORS ABOUT A KEY EVENT INVESTIGATORS ABOUT A KEY EVENT IN THE PROBE INTO RUSSIAN IN THE PROBE INTO RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION. ELECTION. WHEN FBI AGENTS FIRST VISITED WHEN FBI AGENTS FIRST VISITED K.T. McFARLAND AT HER LONG K.T. McFARLAND AT HER LONG ISLAND HOME IN THE SUMMER OF ISLAND HOME IN THE SUMMER OF 2016, McFARLAND DENIED EVER 2016, McFARLAND DENIED EVER TALKING TO MIKE FLYNN ABOUT ANY TALKING TO MIKE FLYNN ABOUT ANY DISCUSSION OF SANCTION BETWEEN DISCUSSION OF SANCTION BETWEEN HIM AND THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR HIM AND THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION. TRANSITION. FOR A TIME INVESTIGATORS SAW HER FOR A TIME INVESTIGATORS SAW HER ANSWERS AS INCONSISTENT, PUTTING ANSWERS AS INCONSISTENT, PUTTING HER IN LEGAL PERIL AS THE FBI HER IN LEGAL PERIL AS THE FBI TRIED TO DETERMINE WHETHER SHE TRIED TO DETERMINE WHETHER SHE HAD LIED TO THEM. HAD LIED TO THEM. NOT LONG AFTER FLYNN’S GUILTY NOT LONG AFTER FLYNN’S GUILTY PLEA, McFARLAND WAS QUESTIONED PLEA, McFARLAND WAS QUESTIONED BY INVESTIGATORS AGAIN ABOUT HER BY INVESTIGATORS AGAIN ABOUT HER CONVERSATIONS WITH FLYNN, AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH FLYNN, AND IN THAT SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION THAT SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION WITH INVESTIGATORS, SHE WALKED WITH INVESTIGATORS, SHE WALKED BACK HER PREVIOUS DENIAL THAT BACK HER PREVIOUS DENIAL THAT SANCTIONS WERE DISCUSSED. SANCTIONS WERE DISCUSSED. QUOTE, EVENTUALLY McFARLAND AND QUOTE, EVENTUALLY McFARLAND AND HER LAWYER CONVINCED THE FBI HER LAWYER CONVINCED THE FBI THAT SHE HADN’T INTENTIONALLY THAT SHE HADN’T INTENTIONALLY MISLED THE BUREAU, SHE HAD MISLED THE BUREAU, SHE HAD RATHER SPOKEN FROM MEMORY RATHER SPOKEN FROM MEMORY WITHOUT THE AID OF ANY DOCUMENTS WITHOUT THE AID OF ANY DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE HELPEDER THAT WOULD HAVE HELPEDER REMEMBER THE EXCHANGES WITH REMEMBER THE EXCHANGES WITH FLYNN. FLYNN. THE FBI APPEARS TO BE SATISFIED THE FBI APPEARS TO BE SATISFIED ACCORDING TO K.T. McFARLAND’S ACCORDING TO K.T. McFARLAND’S ACCOUNT. ACCOUNT. HERE IS THE AMAZING THING. HERE IS THE AMAZING THING. K.T. McFARLAND TOLD THE FBI, NO, K.T. McFARLAND TOLD THE FBI, NO, WE DIDN’T TALK TO RUSSIA ABOUT WE DIDN’T TALK TO RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTION, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID. SANCTION, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID. THEN FLYNN PLEADS GUILTY TO THEN FLYNN PLEADS GUILTY TO LYING TO THE FBI ABOUT TALKING LYING TO THE FBI ABOUT TALKING TO RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTIONS. TO RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTIONS. AFTER FLYNN PLEADS GUILTY, SHE AFTER FLYNN PLEADS GUILTY, SHE GOES BACK AND OH, WAIT, OH, GOES BACK AND OH, WAIT, OH, WAIT, SANCTIONS? WAIT, SANCTIONS? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? ABOUT? I AM SO SORRY, I PLUM FORGOT, I AM SO SORRY, I PLUM FORGOT, BUT NOW I REMEMBER, YEAH, I BUT NOW I REMEMBER, YEAH, I THINK WE PROBABLY DID TALK TO THINK WE PROBABLY DID TALK TO THE RUSSIANS ABOUT SANCTION. THE RUSSIANS ABOUT SANCTION. I’M SO SORRY. I’M SO SORRY. AND THE FBI DECIDED NOT TO AND THE FBI DECIDED NOT TO CHARGE HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED CHARGE HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED HER THAT SHE JUST FORGOT? HER THAT SHE JUST FORGOT? HERE’S THE NEXT LINE IN THAT HERE’S THE NEXT LINE IN THAT REMARKABLE STORY FROM SHANE REMARKABLE STORY FROM SHANE HARRIS AND DEVLIN BARRETT. HARRIS AND DEVLIN BARRETT. QUOTE, JUST DAYS AFTER FLYNN QUOTE, JUST DAYS AFTER FLYNN TALKED TO THE RUSSIAN TALKED TO THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR, McFARLAND SAID THAT AMBASSADOR, McFARLAND SAID THAT HER MEMORY WAS CLEAR AND THAT HER MEMORY WAS CLEAR AND THAT FLYNN AND THE RUSSIAN OFFICIAL FLYNN AND THE RUSSIAN OFFICIAL HAD NEVER DISCUSSED SANCTIONS. HAD NEVER DISCUSSED SANCTIONS. QUOTE, EARLY ON THE MORNING OF QUOTE, EARLY ON THE MORNING OF JANUARY 13th, 2017, McFARLAND JANUARY 13th, 2017, McFARLAND PHONED ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF PHONED ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF THIS ARTICLE, SO ONE OF THE TWO THIS ARTICLE, SO ONE OF THE TWO REPORTERS. REPORTERS. QUOTE, McFARLAND INSISTED IN AN QUOTE, McFARLAND INSISTED IN AN ON-THE-RECORD CONVERSATION THAT ON-THE-RECORD CONVERSATION THAT FLYNN AND THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR FLYNN AND THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR HAD NEVER DISCUSSED THE HAD NEVER DISCUSSED THE SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS. QUOTE, FLYNN CALLED ME RIGHT QUOTE, FLYNN CALLED ME RIGHT AFTER HIS CALL WITH KISLYAK AND AFTER HIS CALL WITH KISLYAK AND CONVEYED THE DETAILS OF THEIR CONVEYED THE DETAILS OF THEIR CONVERSATION. CONVERSATION. SO K.T. McFARLAND KNEW THAT SO K.T. McFARLAND KNEW THAT FLYNN TALKED TO RUSSIA ABOUT FLYNN TALKED TO RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS. K.T. McFARLAND LIED PUBLICLY K.T. McFARLAND LIED PUBLICLY ABOUT WHETHER THE INCOMING TRUMP ABOUT WHETHER THE INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS TALKING TO ADMINISTRATION WAS TALKING TO RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTIONS. RUSSIA ABOUT SANCTIONS. SHE LIED PUBLICLY ABOUT IT. SHE LIED PUBLICLY ABOUT IT. SHE LIED ON THE RECORD TO SHE LIED ON THE RECORD TO REPORTERS ABOUT IT. REPORTERS ABOUT IT. SHE LIED TO THE U.S. SENATE SHE LIED TO THE U.S. SENATE ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. SHE LIED TO THE FBI ABOUT IT. SHE LIED TO THE FBI ABOUT IT. BUT THEN THEY APPARENTLY FORGAVE BUT THEN THEY APPARENTLY FORGAVE HER WHEN SHE SAID OH, IT WAS SO HER WHEN SHE SAID OH, IT WAS SO LONG AGO, I FORGOT, MAYBE. LONG AGO, I FORGOT, MAYBE. MIKE FLYNN ALSO LIED ABOUT THOSE MIKE FLYNN ALSO LIED ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS HE HAD WITH RUSSIA CONVERSATIONS HE HAD WITH RUSSIA TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS. TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS. HE LIED IN PUBLIC. HE LIED IN PUBLIC. HE LIED TO REPORTERS. HE LIED TO REPORTERS. HE LIED TO THE FBI. HE LIED TO THE FBI. WHY WERE THEY LYING ABOUT IT? WHY WERE THEY LYING ABOUT IT? I MEAN, ON ITS FACE, THEY DIDN’T I MEAN, ON ITS FACE, THEY DIDN’T NEED TO. NEED TO. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THEY’D IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THEY’D BE TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS TO BE TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT CONCEIVABLY. CONCEIVABLY. THEY’RE THE TOP TWO SECURITY THEY’RE THE TOP TWO SECURITY OFFICIALS IN THE NATIONAL OFFICIALS IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY FOR THE INCOMING SECURITY AGENCY FOR THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS GOING TO BE A OBVIOUSLY THERE IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE ON THE POLICY. CHANGE ON THE POLICY. IT’S NOT THAT WEIRD. IT’S NOT THAT WEIRD. BUT THEY LIED ABOUT IT. BUT THEY LIED ABOUT IT. AND THE FACT THAT THEY WERE AND THE FACT THAT THEY WERE LYING ABOUT IT MEANT THAT THOSE LYING ABOUT IT MEANT THAT THOSE TWO SENIOR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TWO SENIOR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, THE NUMBER ONE AND OFFICIALS, THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO OFFICIALS AT THE NUMBER TWO OFFICIALS AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL UNDER NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL UNDER THIS NEW PRESIDENT, THEY WERE THIS NEW PRESIDENT, THEY WERE BOTH COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA. BOTH COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE TRANSITION. THE TRANSITION. BECAUSE, OF COURSE, RUSSIA KNEW BECAUSE, OF COURSE, RUSSIA KNEW THE TRUTH, RIGHT? THE TRUTH, RIGHT? RUSSIA WAS ON THE OTHER END OF RUSSIA WAS ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE. THE PHONE. THEY KNEW THAT THESE GUYS HAD THEY KNEW THAT THESE GUYS HAD BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RUSSIA. RUSSIA. RIGHT? RIGHT? IT WASN’T SECRET FROM RUSSIA. IT WASN’T SECRET FROM RUSSIA. BUT IT WAS BEING KEPT SECRET BUT IT WAS BEING KEPT SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THE FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THE AMERICAN PRESS, THE AMERICAN AMERICAN PRESS, THE AMERICAN CONGRESS, AND EVEN THE FBI. CONGRESS, AND EVEN THE FBI. AND THAT IS CALLED LEVERAGE, AND THAT IS CALLED LEVERAGE, RIGHT? RIGHT? THAT MEANS RUSSIA COMPROMISED THAT MEANS RUSSIA COMPROMISED THEM BOTH. THEM BOTH. RUSSIA WAS IN A POSITION TO LORD RUSSIA WAS IN A POSITION TO LORD SOMETHING OVER THE BOTH OF THEM SOMETHING OVER THE BOTH OF THEM THAT THESE TWO PLAINLY WANTED THAT THESE TWO PLAINLY WANTED KEPT A SECRET BECAUSE THEY WERE KEPT A SECRET BECAUSE THEY WERE LYING ABOUT IT, EVEN UNDER OATH LYING ABOUT IT, EVEN UNDER OATH AND EVEN WHEN TALKING TO FEDERAL AND EVEN WHEN TALKING TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS. INVESTIGATORS. WHY DID THOSE TWO WANT IT WHY DID THOSE TWO WANT IT SECRET? SECRET? IT REMAINS UNKNOWN. IT REMAINS UNKNOWN. I MEAN TRUMP HIMSELF ON THE I MEAN TRUMP HIMSELF ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, HE ATTRACTED CAMPAIGN TRAIL, HE ATTRACTED PLENTY OF CONTROVERSY FOR PLENTY OF CONTROVERSY FOR TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS, FOR HIS TALKING ABOUT SANCTIONS, FOR HIS SEEMINGLY INEXPLICABLE INSIST SEEMINGLY INEXPLICABLE INSIST INSISTENCE THAT THE U.S. SHOULD INSISTENCE THAT THE U.S. SHOULD DROP THE SANCTIONS AGAINST DROP THE SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA. RUSSIA. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TRUMP THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TRUMP TALKED ABOUT SANCTIONS ON THE TALKED ABOUT SANCTIONS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. CAMPAIGN TRAIL. IT WAS JULY 11, 2015. IT WAS JULY 11, 2015.>>I BELIEVE I WOULD GET ALONG>>I BELIEVE I WOULD GET ALONG VERY LIES NORTHEASTERLY WITH VERY LIES NORTHEASTERLY WITH PUTIN, OKAY? PUTIN, OKAY? AND I MEAN WHERE WE HAVE THE AND I MEAN WHERE WE HAVE THE STRENGTH. STRENGTH. I DON’T THINK YOU NEED THE I DON’T THINK YOU NEED THE SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS. I THINK THAT WE WOULD GET ALONG I THINK THAT WE WOULD GET ALONG VERY, VERY WELL. VERY, VERY WELL. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT.>>THAT’S THE FIRST TIME TRUMP>>THAT’S THE FIRST TIME TRUMP TALKED ABOUT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA TALKED ABOUT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA AS A SOON TO BE PRESIDENTIAL AS A SOON TO BE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. CANDIDATE. I DON’T THINK YOU NEED THE I DON’T THINK YOU NEED THE SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS. AND DAVID CORN AND MICHAEL AND DAVID CORN AND MICHAEL ISIKOFF TALKED RUSSIAN ROULETTE. ISIKOFF TALKED RUSSIAN ROULETTE. THEY POINTED OUT WHO EXACTLY THEY POINTED OUT WHO EXACTLY ASKED THAT QUESTION OF TRUMP? ASKED THAT QUESTION OF TRUMP? WHO TEED HIM UP AT THAT EVENT IN WHO TEED HIM UP AT THAT EVENT IN LAS VEGAS IN 2015, TO PRONOUNCE LAS VEGAS IN 2015, TO PRONOUNCE PUBLICLY THAT THE U.S. SHOULD PUBLICLY THAT THE U.S. SHOULD DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA? DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA? IT WAS THIS PERSON. IT WAS THIS PERSON.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. LET’S GO. LET’S GO.>>SORRY.>>SORRY.>>YES, MA’AM?>>YES, MA’AM?>>I’M FROM RUSSIA.>>I’M FROM RUSSIA.>>AH.>>AH.>>SO MY QUESTION WILL BE ABOUT>>SO MY QUESTION WILL BE ABOUT FOREIGN POLITICS. FOREIGN POLITICS. IF YOU WOULD BE ELECTED AS THE IF YOU WOULD BE ELECTED AS THE PRESIDENT, WHAT WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT, WHAT WILL BE YOUR FOREIGN POLITICS, ESPECIALLY IN FOREIGN POLITICS, ESPECIALLY IN THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MY THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MY COUNTRY? COUNTRY? AND DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE AND DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE POLITICS OF SANCTIONS THAT POLITICS OF SANCTIONS THAT DAMAGE BOTH ECONOMY OR YOU HAVE DAMAGE BOTH ECONOMY OR YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS? ANY OTHER IDEAS?>>THAT, THE PERSON WHO FIRST>>THAT, THE PERSON WHO FIRST ASKED TRUMP ABOUT SANCTIONS ON ASKED TRUMP ABOUT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, PROMPTING TRUMP FOR THE RUSSIA, PROMPTING TRUMP FOR THE FIRST TIME TO PUBLICLY SAY HEY, FIRST TIME TO PUBLICLY SAY HEY, LET’S GET RID OF SANCTIONS ON LET’S GET RID OF SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT IS MARIA BUTINA, RUSSIA, THAT IS MARIA BUTINA, WHO IS NOW FAMOUS. WHO IS NOW FAMOUS. SHE IS NOW IN FEDERAL CUSTODY ON SHE IS NOW IN FEDERAL CUSTODY ON CHARGES THAT SHE IS A SECRET CHARGES THAT SHE IS A SECRET AGENT OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. AGENT OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. WHO WAS SENT HERE TO INFLUENCE WHO WAS SENT HERE TO INFLUENCE THE U.S. ELECTION IN ORDER TO THE U.S. ELECTION IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THE GOVERNMENT OF BENEFIT THE GOVERNMENT OF RUSSIA. RUSSIA. IT WAS A WEIRD THING AT THE TIME IT WAS A WEIRD THING AT THE TIME FOR TRUMP ALONE AMONG FOR TRUMP ALONE AMONG REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND EVERYONE TO COME OUT AND SAY WE EVERYONE TO COME OUT AND SAY WE SHOULD DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, SHOULD DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, RIGHT? RIGHT? IT WAS WEIRD AT THE TIME IN IT WAS WEIRD AT THE TIME IN ITSELF. ITSELF. IT IS WEIRD IN A WHOLE NEW WAY IT IS WEIRD IN A WHOLE NEW WAY NOW THAT WE KNOW IT TURNS OUT TO NOW THAT WE KNOW IT TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN AN ALLEGED SECRET HAVE BEEN AN ALLEGED SECRET AGENT OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AGENT OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT WHO SET HIM UP TO PUBLICLY DO WHO SET HIM UP TO PUBLICLY DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT WHILE HE AT LEAST WAS BUT WHILE HE AT LEAST WAS WILLING TO ADVOCATE PUBLICLY FOR WILLING TO ADVOCATE PUBLICLY FOR DROPPING THE SANCTIONS ON DROPPING THE SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, WHAT HE WAS LYING ABOUT RUSSIA, WHAT HE WAS LYING ABOUT AT THE TIME, WHAT HE WAS AT THE TIME, WHAT HE WAS REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE AT THE REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE AT THE TIME IS IF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TIME IS IF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY DID THAT, ACTUALLY DID ACTUALLY DID THAT, ACTUALLY DID DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE PERSONAL WOULD BE A HUGE PERSONAL WINDFALL FOR HIM, BECAUSE NOW WE WINDFALL FOR HIM, BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW THAT TRUMP AND HIS BUSINESS KNOW THAT TRUMP AND HIS BUSINESS AT THAT TIME WERE SECRETLY AT THAT TIME WERE SECRETLY NEGOTIATING A GIGANTIC BUSINESS NEGOTIATING A GIGANTIC BUSINESS DEAL IN MOSCOW. DEAL IN MOSCOW. A TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW THAT WOULD A TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW THAT WOULD BE FINANCED TO THE TUNE OF BE FINANCED TO THE TUNE OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY A RUSSIAN BANK, A BANK BY A RUSSIAN BANK, A BANK SPECIFICALLY THAT WAS UNDER U.S. SPECIFICALLY THAT WAS UNDER U.S. SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS. SO IF IT’S A SANCTIONED BANK, SO IF IT’S A SANCTIONED BANK, AMERICANS CAN’T DO BUSINESS AMERICANS CAN’T DO BUSINESS INVOLVING THAT BANK. INVOLVING THAT BANK. TRUMP TOOK THIS WEIRD OUTLIER TRUMP TOOK THIS WEIRD OUTLIER POLITICAL STANCE THAT HE WANTED POLITICAL STANCE THAT HE WANTED TO DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA. TO DROP SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA. HE JUST CONVENIENTLY DIDN’T HE JUST CONVENIENTLY DIDN’T MENTION HIS PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT MENTION HIS PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT IN A GIGANTIC REAL ESTATE SCHEME IN A GIGANTIC REAL ESTATE SCHEME THAT COULD ONLY GO AHEAD IF THE THAT COULD ONLY GO AHEAD IF THE U.S. DROPPED SANCTIONS. U.S. DROPPED SANCTIONS. TRUMP KNEW THAT AT THE TIME, TRUMP KNEW THAT AT THE TIME, ALTHOUGH HE LIED ABOUT IT ALTHOUGH HE LIED ABOUT IT REPEATEDLY, INSISTED OVER AND REPEATEDLY, INSISTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT HE HAD NO OVER AGAIN THAT HE HAD NO BUSINESS INTERESTS IN RUSSIA BUSINESS INTERESTS IN RUSSIA WHATSOEVER. WHATSOEVER. BUT TRUMP KNEW THAT HE DID, AND BUT TRUMP KNEW THAT HE DID, AND RUSSIA KNEW THAT HE DID. RUSSIA KNEW THAT HE DID. I MEAN, THE KREMLIN WE NOW KNOW I MEAN, THE KREMLIN WE NOW KNOW WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TRUMP DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION ABOUT THE FINANCING, ABOUT THE BUILDING FINANCING, ABOUT THE BUILDING PROJECT. PROJECT. ACCORDING TO BUZZFEED, EVEN ACCORDING TO BUZZFEED, EVEN ABOUT PUTIN’S PERSONAL SWEETENER ABOUT PUTIN’S PERSONAL SWEETENER IN THE DEAL, WHICH WOULD BE A IN THE DEAL, WHICH WOULD BE A FREE $50 MILLION PENTHOUSE THAT FREE $50 MILLION PENTHOUSE THAT HE COULD KEEP FOR HIMSELF IN THE HE COULD KEEP FOR HIMSELF IN THE DEAL, FREE FOR NOTHING. DEAL, FREE FOR NOTHING. SO TRUMP KNEW THIS WAS IN THE SO TRUMP KNEW THIS WAS IN THE WORKS, BUT WAS KEEPING IT WORKS, BUT WAS KEEPING IT SECRET. SECRET. THE KREMLIN KNEW IT WAS IN THE THE KREMLIN KNEW IT WAS IN THE WORKS. WORKS. THEY KNEW THAT TRUMP WAS KEEPING THEY KNEW THAT TRUMP WAS KEEPING IT SECRET. IT SECRET. THEY EVEN HELPED HIM KEEP IT THEY EVEN HELPED HIM KEEP IT SECRET. SECRET. IN A CALL WITH REPORTERS, THE IN A CALL WITH REPORTERS, THE SENIOR KREMLIN OFFICIAL, WHO IS SENIOR KREMLIN OFFICIAL, WHO IS APPARENTLY MANAGING THIS PROJECT APPARENTLY MANAGING THIS PROJECT FOR THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, HE FOR THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, HE PUT OUT A STATEMENT DENYING ANY PUT OUT A STATEMENT DENYING ANY KREMLIN INVOLVEMENT. KREMLIN INVOLVEMENT. HE SAID WE DON’T RESPOND TO SUCH HE SAID WE DON’T RESPOND TO SUCH BUSINESS TOPICS. BUSINESS TOPICS. IT IS NOT OUR JOB. IT IS NOT OUR JOB. ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT REPORTS ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT REPORTS THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAD E-MAILED THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAD E-MAILED THE OFFICIAL’S OFFICE IN THE THE OFFICIAL’S OFFICE IN THE KREMLIN ABOUT THE PROJECT, THIS KREMLIN ABOUT THE PROJECT, THIS RUSSIAN OFFICIAL, DIMITRI PESKOV RUSSIAN OFFICIAL, DIMITRI PESKOV RESPONDED, QUOTE, WE TLAEFT RESPONDED, QUOTE, WE TLAEFT WITHOUT A RESPONSE. WITHOUT A RESPONSE. WELL, FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S PLEA WELL, FROM MICHAEL COHEN’S PLEA IN COURT YESTERDAY, WE KNOW THAT IN COURT YESTERDAY, WE KNOW THAT PESKOV’S OFFICE ACTUALLY DID PESKOV’S OFFICE ACTUALLY DID REPLY TO HIM. REPLY TO HIM. SO THAT MEANS THAT THE KREMLIN SO THAT MEANS THAT THE KREMLIN WAS HELPING COVER THIS THING UP WAS HELPING COVER THIS THING UP TOO. TOO. JUST — JUST STEP BACK FROM THIS JUST — JUST STEP BACK FROM THIS A SECOND, RIGHT. A SECOND, RIGHT. THIS MEANS, YES, DURING THE THIS MEANS, YES, DURING THE TRANSITION, THE TOP TWO NATIONAL TRANSITION, THE TOP TWO NATIONAL SECURITY AIDES IN THE INCOMING SECURITY AIDES IN THE INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WERE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WERE COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA. COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA. RUSSIA HAD LEVERAGE OVER THEM RUSSIA HAD LEVERAGE OVER THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR LYING ABOUT BECAUSE OF THEIR LYING ABOUT THEIR DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA, BUT THEIR DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA, BUT ALSO AS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, ALSO AS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, TRUMP WAS DEFINITELY WE NOW KNOW TRUMP WAS DEFINITELY WE NOW KNOW COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA. COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA. HE WAS LYING ABOUT HIS DEALINGS HE WAS LYING ABOUT HIS DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA AND RUSSIA KNEW IT, WITH RUSSIA AND RUSSIA KNEW IT, AND RUSSIA WAS HELPING HIM TO AND RUSSIA WAS HELPING HIM TO KEEP THE SECRET. KEEP THE SECRET. SO THIS IS BAD. SO THIS IS BAD. WE’VE GOT A PRESIDENTIAL WE’VE GOT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR ONE THING, CANDIDATE FOR ONE THING, OFFERING A $50 MILLION GIFT. OFFERING A $50 MILLION GIFT. IT’S A GIFT TO A FOREIGN LEADER, IT’S A GIFT TO A FOREIGN LEADER, SECRETLY. SECRETLY. SO HE’S COMPROMISED ON THAT. SO HE’S COMPROMISED ON THAT. THEY CAN EXPOSE HIM FOR THAT F THEY CAN EXPOSE HIM FOR THAT F THEY WANT. THEY WANT. TO RUSSIA HAS ALSO COMPROMISED TO RUSSIA HAS ALSO COMPROMISED HIM BECAUSE HE IS LYING ABOUT HIM BECAUSE HE IS LYING ABOUT THIS ONGOING BUSINESS SUIT IN THIS ONGOING BUSINESS SUIT IN RUSSIA AND RUSSIA’S PLAN TO RUSSIA AND RUSSIA’S PLAN TO PROVIDE HIM HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS PROVIDE HIM HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THAT REAL ESTATE OF DOLLARS FOR THAT REAL ESTATE PROJECT IF HE GETS THOSE PROJECT IF HE GETS THOSE SANCTIONS LIFTED. SANCTIONS LIFTED. HE IS LYING ABOUT THAT. HE IS LYING ABOUT THAT. HE IS NOT MENTIONING HIS HE IS NOT MENTIONING HIS PERSONAL STAKE IN THE SANCTION PERSONAL STAKE IN THE SANCTION ISSUE WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT ISSUE WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT SANCTION. SANCTION. SO RUSSIA HAS HIM COMPROMISED ON SO RUSSIA HAS HIM COMPROMISED ON THAT TOO. THAT TOO. I MEAN THE SECRET MOSCOW DEAL IS I MEAN THE SECRET MOSCOW DEAL IS DAMNING ENOUGH. DAMNING ENOUGH. IT’S DAMNING ENOUGH THAT A IT’S DAMNING ENOUGH THAT A CRIMINAL COVER-UP EFFORT IS CRIMINAL COVER-UP EFFORT IS LAUNCHED THAT INCLUDES THE LAUNCHED THAT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYER LYING TO PRESIDENT’S LAWYER LYING TO CONGRESS UNDER OATH ABOUT THE CONGRESS UNDER OATH ABOUT THE DEAL. DEAL. CONGRESSMAN JIM HIMES FROM THE CONGRESSMAN JIM HIMES FROM THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WAS HERE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WAS HERE LAST NIGHT AND TOLD US IT MIGHT LAST NIGHT AND TOLD US IT MIGHT NOT BEJUST BE MICHAEL COHEN WHO NOT BEJUST BE MICHAEL COHEN WHO WAS IN ON THE COVER-UP. WAS IN ON THE COVER-UP. THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF INCONSISTENT 70s THE ISSUE OF INCONSISTENT 70s THE ISSUE OF TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW, MEANING A TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW, MEANING A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDER OATH BEFORE LOT OF PEOPLE UNDER OATH BEFORE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TOLD THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TOLD THE SAME STORY AS MICHAEL COHEN, THE SAME STORY AS MICHAEL COHEN, AND MICHAEL COHEN JUST PLEAD AND MICHAEL COHEN JUST PLEAD GUILTY TO A FELONY BECAUSE HIS GUILTY TO A FELONY BECAUSE HIS STORY WAS A LIE. STORY WAS A LIE. IF OTHER PEOPLE WERE TELLING THE IF OTHER PEOPLE WERE TELLING THE SAME LIE ABOUT THE SECRET MOSCOW SAME LIE ABOUT THE SECRET MOSCOW DEAL, IF OTHER PEOPLE WERE DEAL, IF OTHER PEOPLE WERE ORGANIZED SO THAT THEY WOULD ALL ORGANIZED SO THAT THEY WOULD ALL TELL THE SAME LIE, ALL OF THOSE TELL THE SAME LIE, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL NOT ONLY BE IN PEOPLE WILL NOT ONLY BE IN TROUBLE THEMSELVES AND SOON TROUBLE THEMSELVES AND SOON SINCE THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THEIR SINCE THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THEIR TESTIMONY ARE GOING TO MUELLER TESTIMONY ARE GOING TO MUELLER AS SOON AS THE DEMOCRATS ARE AS SOON AS THE DEMOCRATS ARE SWORN IN, BUT IF THERE WAS SWORN IN, BUT IF THERE WAS ANYBODY WHO COACHED OR ANYBODY WHO COACHED OR ORCHESTRATED THAT COVER-UP SO ORCHESTRATED THAT COVER-UP SO THEY’D ALL SAY THE SAME THING, THEY’D ALL SAY THE SAME THING, WELL, THAT’S A HECK OF A LOT WELL, THAT’S A HECK OF A LOT WORSE, RIGHT? WORSE, RIGHT? WHO WAS IN A POSITION TO DO WHO WAS IN A POSITION TO DO THAT? THAT? WELL, NOW HERE’S HOW THIS WHOLE WELL, NOW HERE’S HOW THIS WHOLE THING FITS TOGETHER, WHICH IS THING FITS TOGETHER, WHICH IS BAD. BAD. IN THE CRIMINAL INFORMATION IN THE CRIMINAL INFORMATION FILED ALONGSIDE MICHAEL COHEN’S FILED ALONGSIDE MICHAEL COHEN’S GUILTY PLEA YESTERDAY, THE GUILTY PLEA YESTERDAY, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAYS SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAYS THAT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW THAT THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT INVOLVED DIRECT CONTACT PROJECT INVOLVED DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE KREMLIN. WITH THE KREMLIN. IT INVOLVED PLANS FOR TRUMP IT INVOLVED PLANS FOR TRUMP ORGANIZATION PERSONNEL, ORGANIZATION PERSONNEL, INCLUDING POTENTIALLY TRUMP INCLUDING POTENTIALLY TRUMP HIMSELF TO VISIT MOSCOW AND MEET HIMSELF TO VISIT MOSCOW AND MEET WITH SENIOR GOVERNMENT WITH SENIOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, VERY SENIOR RUSSIAN OFFICIALS, VERY SENIOR RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. THE CRIMINAL INFORMATION ALSO THE CRIMINAL INFORMATION ALSO SAYS THE PROJECT ALSO INVOLVED SAYS THE PROJECT ALSO INVOLVED MORE CONSULTATIONS WITH TRUMP MORE CONSULTATIONS WITH TRUMP HIMSELF THAN HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN HIMSELF THAN HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ADMITTED TO. ADMITTED TO. BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT THE BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT THE PROJECT WENT ALONG FOR MONTHS PROJECT WENT ALONG FOR MONTHS LONGER THAN HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN LONGER THAN HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ADMITTED TO. ADMITTED TO. IT WENT ALL THE WAY INTO THE IT WENT ALL THE WAY INTO THE SUMMER OF 2016 AFTER TRUMP HAD SUMMER OF 2016 AFTER TRUMP HAD WRAPPED UP THE REPUBLICAN WRAPPED UP THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES AND BECOME THE PRIMARIES AND BECOME THE PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. SO IT WENT ON FOR MONTHS LONGER SO IT WENT ON FOR MONTHS LONGER THAN THEY PREVIOUSLY ADMITTED. THAN THEY PREVIOUSLY ADMITTED. BUT THE WAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL BUT THE WAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL TELLS IT IN THE COURT FILINGS, TELLS IT IN THE COURT FILINGS, IT DID COME TO A RATHER DRAMATIC IT DID COME TO A RATHER DRAMATIC AND SPECIFIC HALT ON A SPECIFIC AND SPECIFIC HALT ON A SPECIFIC DATE, ON JUNE 14th, 2016. DATE, ON JUNE 14th, 2016. THE TWO TRUMP ORGANIZATION GUYS, THE TWO TRUMP ORGANIZATION GUYS, MICHAEL COHEN AND FELIX SATER, MICHAEL COHEN AND FELIX SATER, WHO WERE WORKING ON THE TRUMP WHO WERE WORKING ON THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT, THEY MET TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT, THEY MET IN THE LOBBY OF TRUMP TOWER ON IN THE LOBBY OF TRUMP TOWER ON JUNE 14th, 2016. JUNE 14th, 2016. AND ON THAT DATE, COHEN TOLD AND ON THAT DATE, COHEN TOLD SATER I’M NOT GOING TO MOSCOW. SATER I’M NOT GOING TO MOSCOW. JUNE 14th. JUNE 14th. THAT DATE IS IN MUELLER’S FILING THAT DATE IS IN MUELLER’S FILING ALONG WITH COHEN’S GUILTY PLEA. ALONG WITH COHEN’S GUILTY PLEA. JUNE 14th, 2016, WHICH IS THE JUNE 14th, 2016, WHICH IS THE DAY “THE WASHINGTON POST” DAY “THE WASHINGTON POST” PUBLISHED THE FIRST NATIONAL PUBLISHED THE FIRST NATIONAL NEWS STORY EXPOSING THE FACT NEWS STORY EXPOSING THE FACT THAT RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HACKERS THAT RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HACKERS HAD BROKEN INTO THE DEMOCRATIC HAD BROKEN INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S HEADQUARTERS AND STARTED PARTY’S HEADQUARTERS AND STARTED TO STEAL STUFF. TO STEAL STUFF. FELIX SATER HIMSELF AFFIRMED TO FELIX SATER HIMSELF AFFIRMED TO NBC NEWS LAST NIGHT THAT THAT NBC NEWS LAST NIGHT THAT THAT STORY, THE STORY ABOUT RUSSIAN STORY, THE STORY ABOUT RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HACKERS BEING EXPOSED GOVERNMENT HACKERS BEING EXPOSED FOR THEIR ROLE IN TRYING TO GET FOR THEIR ROLE IN TRYING TO GET INTO OUR ELECTIONS, THAT WAS THE INTO OUR ELECTIONS, THAT WAS THE REASON THEY STOPPED WORKING ON REASON THEY STOPPED WORKING ON THE TRUMP TOWER PROJECT THAT THE TRUMP TOWER PROJECT THAT DAY. DAY. THE SECRET PROJECT THEY’D BEEN THE SECRET PROJECT THEY’D BEEN WORKING ON FOR MANY, MANY, MANY WORKING ON FOR MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS INCLUDING DIRECT CONTACT MONTHS INCLUDING DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE KREMLIN AND PLANNED WITH THE KREMLIN AND PLANNED TRAVEL TO MOSCOW STOPPED THAT TRAVEL TO MOSCOW STOPPED THAT DAY. DAY. WHY? WHY? WHAT WAS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT WAS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS? THOSE TWO THINGS? WHAT’S THE CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT’S THE CONNECTION BETWEEN RUSSIA BASICALLY BURGLARIZING RUSSIA BASICALLY BURGLARIZING THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION TO THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION TO HELP TRUMP AND THE BIG REAL HELP TRUMP AND THE BIG REAL ESTATE DEAL TRUMP WAS SECRETLY ESTATE DEAL TRUMP WAS SECRETLY WORKING ON IN RUSSIA DURING THE WORKING ON IN RUSSIA DURING THE CAMPAIGN? CAMPAIGN? WHY DOES ONE HAVE TO STOP WHEN WHY DOES ONE HAVE TO STOP WHEN THE OTHER ONE GETS EXPOSED? THE OTHER ONE GETS EXPOSED? WELL, WHAT IF THEY’RE BOTH THE WELL, WHAT IF THEY’RE BOTH THE SAME PROJECT? SAME PROJECT? THE PERSON IN KREMLIN WHO WAS THE PERSON IN KREMLIN WHO WAS WORKING WITH THE TRUMP WORKING WITH THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION TO FACILITATE THE ORGANIZATION TO FACILITATE THE MOSCOW REAL ESTATE DEAL IS MOSCOW REAL ESTATE DEAL IS DIMITRI PESKOV, ON THE RIGHT DIMITRI PESKOV, ON THE RIGHT THERE WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN. THERE WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN. PESKOV GOES SO FAR AS TO PESKOV GOES SO FAR AS TO PERSONALLY LIE TO THE PRESS TO PERSONALLY LIE TO THE PRESS TO KEEP THE MOSCOW DEAL A SECRET, KEEP THE MOSCOW DEAL A SECRET, TO KEEP TRUMP’S SECRET FOR HIM TO KEEP TRUMP’S SECRET FOR HIM WHILE TRUMP IS LYING ABOUT TO IT WHILE TRUMP IS LYING ABOUT TO IT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. PESKOV IS ALSO SUSPECTED OF PESKOV IS ALSO SUSPECTED OF HAVING A MAJOR ROLE, PERHAPS HAVING A MAJOR ROLE, PERHAPS EVEN THE CHEEVE L CHIEF EVEN THE CHEEVE L CHIEF EXECUTIVE ROLE IN THE CAMPAIGN EXECUTIVE ROLE IN THE CAMPAIGN TO INTERFERE IN THE ELECTIONS TO TO INTERFERE IN THE ELECTIONS TO HURT CLINTON AND HELP HER HURT CLINTON AND HELP HER OPPONENT. OPPONENT. IF THE BIG PICTURE RUSSIAN DREAM IF THE BIG PICTURE RUSSIAN DREAM HERE IS TO HAVE THEIR VERY OWN HERE IS TO HAVE THEIR VERY OWN PRESIDENT OF THE USA, IF THEIR PRESIDENT OF THE USA, IF THEIR DREAM IS TO COMPROMISE AN DREAM IS TO COMPROMISE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SO THAT CANDIDATE IS BEHOLDEN TO SO THAT CANDIDATE IS BEHOLDEN TO THEM AND THEN INSTALL THAT THEM AND THEN INSTALL THAT COMPROMISED CANDIDATE AS COMPROMISED CANDIDATE AS PRESIDENT, THEN THE TRUMP TOWER PRESIDENT, THEN THE TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW PROJECT WHICH COMPROMISES MOSCOW PROJECT WHICH COMPROMISES TRUMP AND THE ELECTION TRUMP AND THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS INTERFERENCE CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO INSTALL HIM, THOSE DESIGNED TO INSTALL HIM, THOSE ARE THE SAME OP. ARE THE SAME OP. COMPROMISE YOUR GUY AND THEN COMPROMISE YOUR GUY AND THEN INSTALL YOUR COMPROMISED GUY. INSTALL YOUR COMPROMISED GUY. WORLD DOMINATION IN TWO EASY WORLD DOMINATION IN TWO EASY STEPS. STEPS. OF COURSE, IN ORDER FOR THE OF COURSE, IN ORDER FOR THE MOSCOW DEAL TO EVEN SEEM VIABLE, MOSCOW DEAL TO EVEN SEEM VIABLE, THOUGH YOU WOULD NEED TO FREE UP THOUGH YOU WOULD NEED TO FREE UP THE FINANCING THAT WOULD MAKE THE FINANCING THAT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE THING POSSIBLE, AND THE WHOLE THING POSSIBLE, AND THIS RUSSIAN STATE-CONTROLLED THIS RUSSIAN STATE-CONTROLLED BANK, VTB, IS COMMITTED TO BANK, VTB, IS COMMITTED TO FINANCING THE PROJECT. FINANCING THE PROJECT. THAT’S WHOSE GOING TO FINANCE THAT’S WHOSE GOING TO FINANCE THE THING. THE THING. SO THE THING YOU NEED IS FOR SO THE THING YOU NEED IS FOR THEM TO BE ALLOWED TO FINANCE THEM TO BE ALLOWED TO FINANCE THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT. AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO FINANCE AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO FINANCE THE PROJECT, THEY NEED TO NOT BE THE PROJECT, THEY NEED TO NOT BE SANCTIONED. SANCTIONED. SO YOU NEED YOUR CAN MIEDS U.S. SO YOU NEED YOUR CAN MIEDS U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, AND PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, AND ULTIMATELY HIS ADMINISTRATION TO ULTIMATELY HIS ADMINISTRATION TO GET THAT DONE FOR YOU, TO GET GET THAT DONE FOR YOU, TO GET RID OF THE SANCTION. RID OF THE SANCTION. THAT’S THE GEAR THAT MAKES THE THAT’S THE GEAR THAT MAKES THE WHOLE WHEEL SPIN. WHOLE WHEEL SPIN. AND SO TRUMP PUBLICLY ADVOCATES AND SO TRUMP PUBLICLY ADVOCATES THAT WHEN PROMPTED BY SOMEONE THAT WHEN PROMPTED BY SOMEONE WHO IS NOW IN CUSTODY AS AN WHO IS NOW IN CUSTODY AS AN ALLEGED RUSSIAN AGENT. ALLEGED RUSSIAN AGENT. MIKE FLYNN AND K.T. McFARLAND MIKE FLYNN AND K.T. McFARLAND SECRETLY START WORKING ON IT, SECRETLY START WORKING ON IT, INCLUDING WITH THE RUSSIAN INCLUDING WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, AND THEN THEY LIE GOVERNMENT, AND THEN THEY LIE ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AND TO THE ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AND TO THE PRESS AND TO THE CONGRESS AND PRESS AND TO THE CONGRESS AND EVEN TO THE FBI. EVEN TO THE FBI. SANCTIONS ADVOCACY ISN’T SUCH A SANCTIONS ADVOCACY ISN’T SUCH A TERRIBLE THING FOR THEM TO BE TERRIBLE THING FOR THEM TO BE DOING. DOING. IT’S A STAND-ALONE THING. IT’S A STAND-ALONE THING. BUT IF IT WAS PART OF THIS KIND BUT IF IT WAS PART OF THIS KIND OF SCHEME, THEN, YEAH, MAYBE OF SCHEME, THEN, YEAH, MAYBE THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY THEY WERE THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY THEY WERE BEING SO SURREPTITIOUS ABOUT IT. BEING SO SURREPTITIOUS ABOUT IT. AND WHAT ELSE? AND WHAT ELSE? WELL, WE ALSO NOW KNOW THAT THE WELL, WE ALSO NOW KNOW THAT THE TWO TRUMP ORGANIZATION GUYS WHO TWO TRUMP ORGANIZATION GUYS WHO THEMSELVES SPECIFICALLY WERE THE THEMSELVES SPECIFICALLY WERE THE ONES WORKING ON TRUMP TOWER ONES WORKING ON TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW, FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL MOSCOW, FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL COHEN, THEY ENDED UP THEMSELVES, COHEN, THEY ENDED UP THEMSELVES, THE TWO OF THEM INVOLVED IN ONE THE TWO OF THEM INVOLVED IN ONE MORE SCHEME RIGHT BEFORE MIKE MORE SCHEME RIGHT BEFORE MIKE FLYNN WAS FIRED, RIGHT AT THE FLYNN WAS FIRED, RIGHT AT THE START OF THE TRUMP START OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. ADMINISTRATION. THEY WERE INVOLVED IN A SCHEME THEY WERE INVOLVED IN A SCHEME TO COOK UP YET ANOTHER PLAN TO TO COOK UP YET ANOTHER PLAN TO GET RID OF RUSSIAN SANCTIONS. GET RID OF RUSSIAN SANCTIONS. DO YOU REMEMBER THIS STORY? DO YOU REMEMBER THIS STORY? FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL COHEN FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL COHEN INVOLVED IN THE SUPPOSED SECRET INVOLVED IN THE SUPPOSED SECRET UKRAINIAN PEACE DEAL SCHEME, UKRAINIAN PEACE DEAL SCHEME, WHICH WAS REALLY JUST A PROPOSAL WHICH WAS REALLY JUST A PROPOSAL TO GIVE UKRAINE OVER TO RUSSIA TO GIVE UKRAINE OVER TO RUSSIA AND THEN DROP THE RUSSIAN AND THEN DROP THE RUSSIAN SANCTIONS ANYWAY. SANCTIONS ANYWAY. WHAT WERE FELIX SATER AND WHAT WERE FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL COHEN DOING WORKING ON MICHAEL COHEN DOING WORKING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DO FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL COHEN DO FELIX SATER AND MICHAEL COHEN SCREAM INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY SCREAM INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY AND PEACEMAKING TO YOU? AND PEACEMAKING TO YOU? THOSE GUYS WOULDN’T EVEN SAY THOSE GUYS WOULDN’T EVEN SAY THAT ABOUT THEMSELVES, BUT, THAT ABOUT THEMSELVES, BUT, YEAH, IT WAS THOSE GUYS. YEAH, IT WAS THOSE GUYS. WORKING ON THIS PLAN TO DROP WORKING ON THIS PLAN TO DROP RUSSIAN SANCTIONS, BECAUSE THOSE RUSSIAN SANCTIONS, BECAUSE THOSE GUYS WERE THE ONES WHO WERE GUYS WERE THE ONES WHO WERE MAKING THE TRUMP MOSCOW PROJECT MAKING THE TRUMP MOSCOW PROJECT HAPPEN TOO. HAPPEN TOO. AND TO MAKE THAT COME TRUE, IT AND TO MAKE THAT COME TRUE, IT WOULD NEED FINANCING FROM THAT WOULD NEED FINANCING FROM THAT RUSSIAN STATE OWNED BANK RUSSIAN STATE OWNED BANK CONTROLLED BY PUTIN, AND THAT CONTROLLED BY PUTIN, AND THAT COULDN’T HAPPEN UNTIL.S. SANCTIO COULDN’T HAPPEN UNTIL.S. SANCTIO ON RUSSIA WERE DROPPED. ON RUSSIA WERE DROPPED. IT’S PART OF THEIR DEAL. IT’S PART OF THEIR DEAL. BECAUSE SANCTIONS AND A HUGE BECAUSE SANCTIONS AND A HUGE FINANCIAL DEAL FOR TRUMP AND FINANCIAL DEAL FOR TRUMP AND LYING PUBLICLY ABOUT THE DEAL LYING PUBLICLY ABOUT THE DEAL FOR TRUMP AND LYING ABOUT FOR TRUMP AND LYING ABOUT CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIAN CONTACTS WITH THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, IT’S ALL ONE THING. GOVERNMENT, IT’S ALL ONE THING. AND IT MAY HAVE EVEN ALL BEEN AND IT MAY HAVE EVEN ALL BEEN RUN BY THE SAME GUY, DMETIMITRI RUN BY THE SAME GUY, DMETIMITRI PESKOV IN THE PROSECUTION PESKOV IN THE PROSECUTION GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. ON TUESDAY MIKE FLYNN WILL BE IN ON TUESDAY MIKE FLYNN WILL BE IN COURT. COURT. AND WE WILL LEARN WHAT ROBERT AND WE WILL LEARN WHAT ROBERT MUELLER HAS COME TO KNOW IN HIS MUELLER HAS COME TO KNOW IN HIS DEALINGS WITH FLYNN SINCE HE DEALINGS WITH FLYNN SINCE HE PLEAD A YEAR AGO. PLEAD A YEAR AGO. RIGHT BEFORE MIKE FLYNN COMES TO RIGHT BEFORE MIKE FLYNN COMES TO COURT WE FINALLY LEARNED THE COURT WE FINALLY LEARNED THE BIGGEST MYSTERY ABOUT THE CASE BIGGEST MYSTERY ABOUT THE CASE AGAINST HIM, WHY HE BOTHERED TO AGAINST HIM, WHY HE BOTHERED TO LIE ABOUT THE SANCTIONS LIE ABOUT THE SANCTIONS DISCUSSIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. DISCUSSIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WOULDN’T HAVE NEEDED TO BE IT WOULDN’T HAVE NEEDED TO BE SURREPTITIOUS IF IT WAS JUST SURREPTITIOUS IF IT WAS JUST ABOUT SANCTIONS ALONE. ABOUT SANCTIONS ALONE. BUT MIKE FLYNN AND HIS DEPUTY BUT MIKE FLYNN AND HIS DEPUTY K.T. McFARLAND AND THE PRESIDENT K.T. McFARLAND AND THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WE NOW KNOW THEY WERE HIMSELF WE NOW KNOW THEY WERE ALL COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA AT THE ALL COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA AT THE TIME. TIME. BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY WERE LYING BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY WERE LYING ABOUT THAT RUSSIA KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT THAT RUSSIA KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT AND WHAT RUSSIA KNEW THE ABOUT AND WHAT RUSSIA KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT IS WHAT TURNS OUT TO TRUTH ABOUT IS WHAT TURNS OUT TO BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE PLAN. BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE PLAN. COMPROMISE THE CANDIDATE WITH COMPROMISE THE CANDIDATE WITH PROMISES OF A SECRET DEAL. PROMISES OF A SECRET DEAL. INSTALL THE CANDIDATE, AND THEN INSTALL THE CANDIDATE, AND THEN LEVERAGE THE CANDIDATE TO LIFT LEVERAGE THE CANDIDATE TO LIFT SANCTIONS AND FREE RUSSIA TO DO SANCTIONS AND FREE RUSSIA TO DO WHAT IT WANTS. WHAT IT WANTS. NOW OVER THIS PAST WEEK, WE NOW OVER THIS PAST WEEK, WE SUDDENLY CAN SEE THE FULL PLAN SUDDENLY CAN SEE THE FULL PLAN AND HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK. AND HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT MIGHT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT MIGHT STILL WORK NOW THAT IT’S OUT IN STILL WORK NOW THAT IT’S OUT IN THE OPEN, OR WHETHER THEY’RE

Your Tax Dollars At Work: The Great Eight


[music and applause] It’s time. From the Personal
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[laughter] Tax Day 2014 is in the books. As is a healthy
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in Kansas, that’s a triple whammy! [laughter] 4. His perjury. You know, like the guns he
sold to NARCO terrorists. That he perjured himself about. [laughter] — Ole, Scumbag.
[laughter] 5. Their killing spree. 6. His meds, which he is clearly not taking.
[laughter] 7. Every bloody part of that, even the stuff
Obama said wouldn’t happen [laughter] 8. And, everything that happens in there.
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Maria Butina Takes Plea Deal, Cooperating With Investigators: Reports | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC


ARGUMENTS AND COHEN’S CRIMES AND WHAT HE HAS PLEAD TO, AND ON WHAT HE HAS PLEAD TO, AND ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, MICHAEL COHEN WEDNESDAY MORNING, MICHAEL COHEN WILL HAVE HIS SENTENCE HANDED WILL HAVE HIS SENTENCE HANDED DOWN. DOWN. BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE. BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE. BECAUSE NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE BECAUSE NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE LEARNED ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IS GOING REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT SAME DAY AFTER TO HAPPEN THAT SAME DAY AFTER COHEN IS SENTENCED. COHEN IS SENTENCED. IT’S GOING TO BE JUST HOURS IT’S GOING TO BE JUST HOURS AFTER COHEN’S SENTENCING IN A AFTER COHEN’S SENTENCING IN A HEARING THAT IS SET FOR A D.C. HEARING THAT IS SET FOR A D.C. COURTROOM AT 3:15 EASTERN TIME COURTROOM AT 3:15 EASTERN TIME WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. WE LEARNED TODAY THAT IN THE WE LEARNED TODAY THAT IN THE CASE OF MARIA BUTINA, SHE IS CASE OF MARIA BUTINA, SHE IS ACCUSED BY PROSECUTORS OF BEING ACCUSED BY PROSECUTORS OF BEING A FOREIGN AGENT, WORKING A FOREIGN AGENT, WORKING SECRETLY ON BEHALF OF THE SECRETLY ON BEHALF OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, TO INFLUENCE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, TO INFLUENCE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND POEMLY CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AND POEMLY THE 20 SAN FRANCISCO ELECTION, THE 20 SAN FRANCISCO ELECTION, WE LEARNED TODAY THAT MARIA WE LEARNED TODAY THAT MARIA BUTINA’S CASE IS COMING TO AN BUTINA’S CASE IS COMING TO AN END. END. THE PROSECUTORS AND DEFENSE THE PROSECUTORS AND DEFENSE LAWYERS TELLING THE JUDGE TODAY LAWYERS TELLING THE JUDGE TODAY THAT THEY HAD REACHED SOME KIND THAT THEY HAD REACHED SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION FOR HER CASE. OF RESOLUTION FOR HER CASE. THEY ALSO ASKED THE JUDGE TO THEY ALSO ASKED THE JUDGE TO SCHEDULE A HEARING IN WHICH SHE SCHEDULE A HEARING IN WHICH SHE COULD CHANGE HER PLEA. COULD CHANGE HER PLEA. MARIA BUTINA HAD PREVIOUSLY MARIA BUTINA HAD PREVIOUSLY PLEAD NOT GUILTY. PLEAD NOT GUILTY. SO WANTING TO CHANGE HER PLEA SO WANTING TO CHANGE HER PLEA IMPLIES SHE NOW INTENDS TO PLEAD IMPLIES SHE NOW INTENDS TO PLEAD GUILTY. GUILTY. THEN ABC NEWS WAS FIRST TO THEN ABC NEWS WAS FIRST TO REPORT TONIGHT THAT IN REPORT TONIGHT THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH HER GUILTY PLEA CONJUNCTION WITH HER GUILTY PLEA TO A CONSPIRACY CHARGE, MARIA TO A CONSPIRACY CHARGE, MARIA BUTINA WILL ALSO AGREE TO BUTINA WILL ALSO AGREE TO COOPERATE, TO COOPERATE WITH COOPERATE, TO COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES IN ONGOING AUTHORITIES IN ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. INVESTIGATIONS. CNN SOON ADDED THE FACT OR THE CNN SOON ADDED THE FACT OR THE REPORT THAT BUTINA HAS ALREADY REPORT THAT BUTINA HAS ALREADY STARTED MEETING WITH PROSECUTORS STARTED MEETING WITH PROSECUTORS AS PART OF THIS DEAL. AS PART OF THIS DEAL. IF THIS ABC AND CNN REPORTING IS IF THIS ABC AND CNN REPORTING IS CORRECT, THAT MEANS THAT ON CORRECT, THAT MEANS THAT ON WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, THE JUDGE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, THE JUDGE WILL BE HEARING MARIA BUTINA’S WILL BE HEARING MARIA BUTINA’S GUILTY PLEA, AND WE PRESUMABLY GUILTY PLEA, AND WE PRESUMABLY WILL HAVE SOME PUBLIC-FACING WILL HAVE SOME PUBLIC-FACING INDICATION OF THE KIND OF INDICATION OF THE KIND OF COOPERATION DEAL SHE IS MAKING COOPERATION DEAL SHE IS MAKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT PLEA. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT PLEA. I SHOULD TELL YOU THE DAILY I SHOULD TELL YOU THE DAILY BEAST HAS JUST MATCHED THAT BEAST HAS JUST MATCHED THAT REPORTING FROM ABC NEWS AND CNN, REPORTING FROM ABC NEWS AND CNN, AND IN THEIR REPORT, THEY’RE AND IN THEIR REPORT, THEY’RE ADDING SOME SORT OF INCREDIBLE ADDING SOME SORT OF INCREDIBLE DETAILS THAT THEY SAY ARE QUOTES DETAILS THAT THEY SAY ARE QUOTES FROM THE PLEA AGREEMENT. FROM THE PLEA AGREEMENT. AND AGAIN, NBC NEWS HAS NOT AND AGAIN, NBC NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED THIS REPORTING, BUT CONFIRMED THIS REPORTING, BUT HERE IS TWO EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE HERE IS TWO EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE DAILY BEAST IS CITING TONIGHT, DAILY BEAST IS CITING TONIGHT, SAYING THIS IS FROM THE PLEA SAYING THIS IS FROM THE PLEA AGREEMENT THAT WE WILL SEE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WILL SEE IN COURT WHEN MARIA BUTINA HAS HER COURT WHEN MARIA BUTINA HAS HER HEARING TO CHANGE HER PLEA. HEARING TO CHANGE HER PLEA. QUOTE, BUTINA HELPED ARRANGE A QUOTE, BUTINA HELPED ARRANGE A TRIP TO MOSCOW FOR NRA LEADERS TRIP TO MOSCOW FOR NRA LEADERS IN DECEMBER 2015. IN DECEMBER 2015. SHE PUSHED FOR THOSE AMERICANS SHE PUSHED FOR THOSE AMERICANS TO VISIT WITH SENIOR RUSSIAN TO VISIT WITH SENIOR RUSSIAN POLITICIANS, ACCORDING TO THE POLITICIANS, ACCORDING TO THE PLEA DEAL. PLEA DEAL. THE AMERICANS ON THE TRIP MET THE AMERICANS ON THE TRIP MET WITH SERGEI LAVROV, RUSSIA’S WITH SERGEI LAVROV, RUSSIA’S MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DIMITRI RIGOSIN. DIMITRI RIGOSIN. AFTER SHE SENT A MESSAGE TO THE AFTER SHE SENT A MESSAGE TO THE RUSSIAN CENTRAL BANK OFFICIAL TO RUSSIAN CENTRAL BANK OFFICIAL TO WHOM SHE ALLEGEDLY REPORTED AS WHOM SHE ALLEGEDLY REPORTED AS PART OF THIS FOREIGN THE AGENT PART OF THIS FOREIGN THE AGENT SCHEME. SCHEME. HER MESSAGE HAD TWO TRANSLATIONS HER MESSAGE HAD TWO TRANSLATIONS IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT. IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT. THE FIRST TRANSLATION ABOUT THE FIRST TRANSLATION ABOUT THESE NRA OFFICIALS GOING TO THESE NRA OFFICIALS GOING TO MOSCOW IN DECEMBER 2015 SAID, MOSCOW IN DECEMBER 2015 SAID, QUOTE, WE SHOULD LET THEM QUOTE, WE SHOULD LET THEM EXPRESS THEIR GRATITUDE NOW. EXPRESS THEIR GRATITUDE NOW. WE WILL PUT PRESSURE ON THEM WE WILL PUT PRESSURE ON THEM QUIETLY LATER. QUIETLY LATER. THE SECOND TRANSLATION, THE THE SECOND TRANSLATION, THE ALTERNATE TRANSLATION IN THE ALTERNATE TRANSLATION IN THE PLEA AGREEMENT ACCORDING TO THE PLEA AGREEMENT ACCORDING TO THE DAILY BEAST SAID, QUOTE, WE DAILY BEAST SAID, QUOTE, WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO EXPRESS SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO EXPRESS THEIR GRATITUDE NOW AND THEN THEIR GRATITUDE NOW AND THEN QUIETLY PRESS. QUIETLY PRESS. SO, AGAIN, THAT WAS A TRIP TO SO, AGAIN, THAT WAS A TRIP TO MEET WITH RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MEET WITH RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN MOSCOW IN DECEMBER OFFICIALS IN MOSCOW IN DECEMBER 2015. 2015. IT WAS SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE NRA. IT WAS SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE NRA. WE WILL PUT PRESSURE ON THEM WE WILL PUT PRESSURE ON THEM QUIETLY LATER. QUIETLY LATER. LET THEM EXPRESS THEIR GRATITUDE LET THEM EXPRESS THEIR GRATITUDE NOW. NOW. THAT NRA TRIP IN DECEMBER 2015, THAT NRA TRIP IN DECEMBER 2015, THAT WAS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME THAT WAS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME THAT TRUMP NATIONAL SECURITY THAT TRUMP NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER MIKE FLYNN WAS ALSO IN ADVISER MIKE FLYNN WAS ALSO IN MOSCOW, SITTING WITH VLADIMIR MOSCOW, SITTING WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AT A GALA DINNER THE PUTIN AT A GALA DINNER THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT PAID HIM TO RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT PAID HIM TO ATTEND. ATTEND. THE DAILY BEAST ALSO REPORTS THE DAILY BEAST ALSO REPORTS THIS TONIGHT, QUOTE, ACCORDING THIS TONIGHT, QUOTE, ACCORDING TO THE PLEA DEAL, BUTINA ALSO TO THE PLEA DEAL, BUTINA ALSO HELPED ARRANGE FOR A GROUP OF HELPED ARRANGE FOR A GROUP OF RUSSIANS TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL RUSSIANS TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST IN WASHINGTON, PRAYER BREAKFAST IN WASHINGTON, WHICH WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 2nd, WHICH WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 2nd, 2017. 2017. SO RIGHT AFTER TRUMP’S SO RIGHT AFTER TRUMP’S INAUGURATION. INAUGURATION. BUTINA E-MAILED HER PURPORTED BUTINA E-MAILED HER PURPORTED BOYFRIEND, REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST BOYFRIEND, REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST ROBERT ERICKSON WITH A LIST OF ROBERT ERICKSON WITH A LIST OF ATTENDEES FOR THE NATIONAL ATTENDEES FOR THE NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST. PRAYER BREAKFAST. SHE TOLD HIM THEY WERE COMING TO SHE TOLD HIM THEY WERE COMING TO THE BREAKFAST TO, QUOTE, THE BREAKFAST TO, QUOTE, ESTABLISH A BACK CHANNEL OF ESTABLISH A BACK CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION. COMMUNICATION. THAT’S SUBTLE. THAT’S SUBTLE. ERICKSON LATER E-MAILED THE LIST ERICKSON LATER E-MAILED THE LIST TO ANOTHER PERSON. TO ANOTHER PERSON. REACTION TO THE DELEGATION’S REACTION TO THE DELEGATION’S PRESENCE IN AMERICA WILL BE PRESENCE IN AMERICA WILL BE CONVEYED DIRECTLY TO RUSSIAN CONVEYED DIRECTLY TO RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND FOREIGN MINISTER SERGEI LAVROV, FOREIGN MINISTER SERGEI LAVROV, HE WROTE. HE WROTE. SO WE’RE GOING TO TALK WITH THE SO WE’RE GOING TO TALK WITH THE DAILY BEAST REPORTER IN JUST A DAILY BEAST REPORTER IN JUST A MOMENT WHOSE BEEN ALL OVER THIS MOMENT WHOSE BEEN ALL OVER THIS STORY. STORY. BUT THIS IS A BIG KEEL, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS A BIG KEEL, RIGHT? THIS IS THE FIRST RUSSIAN TO THIS IS THE FIRST RUSSIAN TO PLEAD GUILTY TO A PRIME THAT HAS PLEAD GUILTY TO A PRIME THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH INFLUENCING ANYTHING TO DO WITH INFLUENCING AMERICAN POLITICS OR THE 20 SAN AMERICAN POLITICS OR THE 20 SAN FRANCISCO ELECTIONS. FRANCISCO ELECTIONS. SO THIS IS A BIG DEAL. SO THIS IS A BIG DEAL. BUT CAN WE ALSO JUST CONSIDER BUT CAN WE ALSO JUST CONSIDER FOR A SECOND WHAT MIGHT BE GOING FOR A SECOND WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON HERE WITH THE NRA, RIGHT? ON HERE WITH THE NRA, RIGHT? NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION, THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION, THE NRA. NRA. IS THOUGHT OF AND HAS LONG BEEN IS THOUGHT OF AND HAS LONG BEEN THOUGHT OF AS A POWERHOUSE IN THOUGHT OF AS A POWERHOUSE IN WASHINGTON AND AMERICAN POLITICS WASHINGTON AND AMERICAN POLITICS WHEN IT COMES TO LOBBYING AND WHEN IT COMES TO LOBBYING AND INFLUENCE AND ESPECIALLY MONEY INFLUENCE AND ESPECIALLY MONEY IN ELECTIONS. IN ELECTIONS. THE NRA DOES SPEND A TON OF THE NRA DOES SPEND A TON OF MONEY EVERY ELECTION CYCLE, AND MONEY EVERY ELECTION CYCLE, AND ESPECIALLY EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ESPECIALLY EVERY PRESIDENTIAL YEAR. YEAR. BUT CLEARLY SOMETHING WEIRD BUT CLEARLY SOMETHING WEIRD HAPPENED WITH THE NRA IN 2016. HAPPENED WITH THE NRA IN 2016. FOR SOME REASON, IN 2016, THE FOR SOME REASON, IN 2016, THE NRA JUST EXPLODED ITS PREVIOUS NRA JUST EXPLODED ITS PREVIOUS SPENDING RECORDS. SPENDING RECORDS. THE NRA IN 2016 PUMPED $30 THE NRA IN 2016 PUMPED $30 MILLION INTO GETTING DONALD MILLION INTO GETTING DONALD TRUMP ELECTED. TRUMP ELECTED. AND IMPORTANTLY, THEY MADE SURE AND IMPORTANTLY, THEY MADE SURE THAT MOST OF THAT MONEY CAME OUT THAT MOST OF THAT MONEY CAME OUT OF AN ARM OF THE NRA THAT OF AN ARM OF THE NRA THAT DOESN’T DISCLOSE ANYTHING ABOUT DOESN’T DISCLOSE ANYTHING ABOUT ITS DONORS. ITS DONORS. AND I KNOW LIKE IN THE NEWS AND I KNOW LIKE IN THE NEWS THERE IS ALWAYS LARGE ROUND THERE IS ALWAYS LARGE ROUND NUMBERS, RIGHT? NUMBERS, RIGHT? $30 MILLION. $30 MILLION. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. A BIG ROUND NUMBER. A BIG ROUND NUMBER. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? FOR CONTEXT HERE, IN ORDER TO FOR CONTEXT HERE, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHY I’M SAYING THAT’S UNDERSTAND WHY I’M SAYING THAT’S A REALLY STRANGE AMOUNT OF MONEY A REALLY STRANGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THEM TO HAVE SPENT, THAT $30 FOR THEM TO HAVE SPENT, THAT $30 MILLION THEY SPENT ON TRUMP, MILLION THEY SPENT ON TRUMP, THAT IS TRIPLE WHAT THEY SPENT THAT IS TRIPLE WHAT THEY SPENT THE LAST TIME AROUND IN THE LAST THE LAST TIME AROUND IN THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ON MITT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ON MITT ROMNEY. ROMNEY. ALMOST THREE TIMES WHAT THEY ALMOST THREE TIMES WHAT THEY SPENT ON ROMNEY. SPENT ON ROMNEY. NOW WHAT’S THAT ABOUT? NOW WHAT’S THAT ABOUT? TRUMP IS NOT A MORE PRO-GUN TRUMP IS NOT A MORE PRO-GUN REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE THAN WE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE THAN WE HAVE SEEN IN OTHER ELECTION HAVE SEEN IN OTHER ELECTION CYCLES. CYCLES. WHY DID THE NRA GO OFF THE WHY DID THE NRA GO OFF THE CHARTS FOR HIM IN A WAY THEY CHARTS FOR HIM IN A WAY THEY NEVER HAD FOR ANY OTHER NEVER HAD FOR ANY OTHER CANDIDATE IN ANY OTHER ELECTION? CANDIDATE IN ANY OTHER ELECTION? AND WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THAT, AND WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THAT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE HAVE ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE NRA’S FINANCES SEEN THE NRA’S FINANCES APPARENTLY FALL APART VERY APPARENTLY FALL APART VERY QUICKLY SINCE THEN? QUICKLY SINCE THEN? IN A COURT FILING THIS SUMMER, IN A COURT FILING THIS SUMMER, THE NRA SAID ITS FINANCIAL THE NRA SAID ITS FINANCIAL POSITION IS SO DIRE IT MAY SOON, POSITION IS SO DIRE IT MAY SOON, QUOTE, BE UNABLE TO EXIST. QUOTE, BE UNABLE TO EXIST. THE NRA HAD STARTED A DIGITAL TV THE NRA HAD STARTED A DIGITAL TV NETWORK TO EXPAND ITS REACH AND NETWORK TO EXPAND ITS REACH AND INFLUENCE. INFLUENCE. THAT DIGITAL TV NETWORK APPEARS THAT DIGITAL TV NETWORK APPEARS TO BE IMPLODING AS WE SPEAK WITH TO BE IMPLODING AS WE SPEAK WITH SOME OF THEIR BIGGEST NRA TV SOME OF THEIR BIGGEST NRA TV STARS GETTING THEIR SHOWS SHUT STARS GETTING THEIR SHOWS SHUT DOWN, EVEN JUST TONIGHT. DOWN, EVEN JUST TONIGHT. SO WHAT EXPLAINS THIS GIGANTIC SO WHAT EXPLAINS THIS GIGANTIC SEESAW, BIGGEST SPENDING EVER IN SEESAW, BIGGEST SPENDING EVER IN 2016 BY A MILE, AND THEN WHAT 2016 BY A MILE, AND THEN WHAT APPEARS TO BE FINANCIAL RUIN, APPEARS TO BE FINANCIAL RUIN, CERTAINLY FINANCIAL ATROPHY JUST CERTAINLY FINANCIAL ATROPHY JUST WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS. WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS. THE NRA MONEY IN THE 2016 THE NRA MONEY IN THE 2016 CAMPAIGN JUST DOESN’T MAKE MUCH CAMPAIGN JUST DOESN’T MAKE MUCH SENSE GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE SENSE GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE NRA AND GIVEN THE CAMPAIGN. NRA AND GIVEN THE CAMPAIGN. THEN WE GOT THIS REPORT LAST THEN WE GOT THIS REPORT LAST WEEK THAT THE NRA’S HUGE BOOST WEEK THAT THE NRA’S HUGE BOOST IN SPENDING IN 2016 MAY NOT HAVE IN SPENDING IN 2016 MAY NOT HAVE BEEN JUST INDEPENDENT BEEN JUST INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES THAT REDOUNDED TO EXPENDITURES THAT REDOUNDED TO DONALD TRUMP’S BENEFIT AND THE DONALD TRUMP’S BENEFIT AND THE CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. THERE IS SOME PRETTY COMPELLING THERE IS SOME PRETTY COMPELLING EVIDENCE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN EVIDENCE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL COORDINATION BETWEEN THE ILLEGAL COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE NRA WHEN TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE NRA WHEN IT COMES TO SPENDING THOSE TENS IT COMES TO SPENDING THOSE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ELECT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ELECT TRUMP AND BEAT HILLARY CLINTON. TRUMP AND BEAT HILLARY CLINTON. ANOTHER REPORT IN MOTHER JONES ANOTHER REPORT IN MOTHER JONES MAGAZINE SHOWS THAT EVIDENCE, MAGAZINE SHOWS THAT EVIDENCE, HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF FEDERAL HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN RECORDS APPEARS TO SHOW CAMPAIGN RECORDS APPEARS TO SHOW THE NRA AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN THE NRA AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OVERTLY COORDINATING THEIR OVERTLY COORDINATING THEIR MESSAGING STRATEGY AND THEIR AD MESSAGING STRATEGY AND THEIR AD BUYING THROUGH THE SAME PERSON. BUYING THROUGH THE SAME PERSON. REPORTERS SHOWED THOSE RECORDS REPORTERS SHOWED THOSE RECORDS TO THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE TO THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION, AND FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION, AND THE EX-CHAIR TOLD MOTHER JONES, THE EX-CHAIR TOLD MOTHER JONES, QUOTE, I DON’T THINK I’VE EVER QUOTE, I DON’T THINK I’VE EVER SEEN A SITUATION WHERE ILLEGAL SEEN A SITUATION WHERE ILLEGAL COORDINATION SEEMS MORE OBVIOUS. COORDINATION SEEMS MORE OBVIOUS. IT’S SO PLATE IMPORTANT THAT IT IT’S SO PLATE IMPORTANT THAT IT DOESN’T EVEN SEEM SLOPPY. DOESN’T EVEN SEEM SLOPPY. EVERYONE INVOLVES SEEMS TO THINK EVERYONE INVOLVES SEEMS TO THINK THERE AREN’T GOING TO BE ANY THERE AREN’T GOING TO BE ANY CONSEQUENCES. CONSEQUENCES. AND I KNOW LIKE IN A WAY THIS IS AND I KNOW LIKE IN A WAY THIS IS KIND OF A BIG ROUND NUMBER OF KIND OF A BIG ROUND NUMBER OF POLITICAL SCANDAL, RIGHT. POLITICAL SCANDAL, RIGHT. POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS AND ADVOCACY POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS AND ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT AREN’T SUPPOSED TO GROUPS THAT AREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE COORDINATING WITH EACH OTHER, BE COORDINATING WITH EACH OTHER, NEVERTHELESS ILLEGALLY NEVERTHELESS ILLEGALLY COORDINATING AND ILLEGALLY COORDINATING AND ILLEGALLY WORKING TOGETHER. WORKING TOGETHER. I KNOW YOU’VE HEARD THAT A I KNOW YOU’VE HEARD THAT A MILLION TIMES. MILLION TIMES. IT’S LIKE A MAN BITES DOG STORY IT’S LIKE A MAN BITES DOG STORY OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS. VIOLATIONS. BUT DON’T JUST LOOK AT THAT IN BUT DON’T JUST LOOK AT THAT IN ISOLATION. ISOLATION. PUT THAT APPARENT CLOSENESS PUT THAT APPARENT CLOSENESS BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE NRA, THIS BLATANT ILLEGAL THE NRA, THIS BLATANT ILLEGAL COORDINATION, ABOUT WHAT APPEARS COORDINATION, ABOUT WHAT APPEARS TO BE BLATANT ILLEGAL TO BE BLATANT ILLEGAL COORDINATION, PUT THAT TOGETHER COORDINATION, PUT THAT TOGETHER WITH THE NRA INEXPLICABLY WITH THE NRA INEXPLICABLY TRIPLING THEIR SPENDING IN ORDER TRIPLING THEIR SPENDING IN ORDER TO SUPPORT TRUMP, AND IT DOES TO SUPPORT TRUMP, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SEEM LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING GOING ON THERE, SOMETHING GOING ON THERE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THEIR ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THEIR SPENDING TO SUPPORT TRUMP WAS SPENDING TO SUPPORT TRUMP WAS ALL PART OF THE NRA WHERE THEY ALL PART OF THE NRA WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE TO SAY WHERE THE DON’T HAVE TO SAY WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM. MONEY CAME FROM. I SHOULD ALSO MENTION WHILE I I SHOULD ALSO MENTION WHILE I LIKE BEING SNARKY ABOUT CAMPAIGN LIKE BEING SNARKY ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS, WILLFULLY FINANCE VIOLATIONS, WILLFULLY VIOLATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW VIOLATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW IS STARTING TO BECOME PERHAPS IS STARTING TO BECOME PERHAPS MAYBE A MORE CONSEQUENTIAL THING MAYBE A MORE CONSEQUENTIAL THING THESE DAYS. THESE DAYS. YOU CAN ASK MICHAEL COHEN ABOUT YOU CAN ASK MICHAEL COHEN ABOUT THAT WHEN HE TURNS UP IN COURT THAT WHEN HE TURNS UP IN COURT ON WEDNESDAY FOR AMONG OTHER ON WEDNESDAY FOR AMONG OTHER THINGS PLEADING GUILTY TO THINGS PLEADING GUILTY TO FELONIES INVOLVING CAMPAIGN FELONIES INVOLVING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. FINANCE LAWS. BUT ALONGSIDE ALL THAT WEIRD BUT ALONGSIDE ALL THAT WEIRD MONEY STUFF, THERE WAS ALSO A MONEY STUFF, THERE WAS ALSO A STRANGE TURN THAT HAPPENED IN STRANGE TURN THAT HAPPENED IN THE LEAD-UP TO THE 2016 CAMPAIGN THE LEAD-UP TO THE 2016 CAMPAIGN IN TERMS OF HOW WE UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF HOW WE UNDERSTAND THE NRA AND ITS POLITICS. THE NRA AND ITS POLITICS. IT’S A TERM THAT SEEMS LITERALLY IT’S A TERM THAT SEEMS LITERALLY FOREIGN. FOREIGN. IN THE LEAD-UP TO THE 2016 IN THE LEAD-UP TO THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THERE WAS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THERE WAS ALL OF THE SUDDEN A WEIRD ALL OF THE SUDDEN A WEIRD RUSSIAN TWIST IN U.S. GUN RUSSIAN TWIST IN U.S. GUN POLITICS. POLITICS. A SPELLED OUT MARIA BUTINA’S A SPELLED OUT MARIA BUTINA’S PLEA AGREEMENT IN DECEMBER 2015 PLEA AGREEMENT IN DECEMBER 2015 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN RIGHT PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN RIGHT BEFORE THE IOWA CAUCUSES, A BEFORE THE IOWA CAUCUSES, A FORMER NRA PRESIDENT AND A FORMER NRA PRESIDENT AND A FUTURE NRA PRESIDENT AND A WHOLE FUTURE NRA PRESIDENT AND A WHOLE DELEGATION OF FARNRA OFFICIALS A DELEGATION OF FARNRA OFFICIALS A MEMBERS ALL GOT AN ALL-EXPENSES MEMBERS ALL GOT AN ALL-EXPENSES PAID TRIP TO MOSCOW. PAID TRIP TO MOSCOW. IT WAS ORGANIZED BY THE RIGHT TO IT WAS ORGANIZED BY THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, PURPORTEDLY A GUN BEAR ARMS, PURPORTEDLY A GUN RIGHTS GROUP FOUNDED BY A SENIOR RIGHTS GROUP FOUNDED BY A SENIOR MEMBER OF VLADIMIR PUTIN’S MEMBER OF VLADIMIR PUTIN’S POLITICAL PARTY. POLITICAL PARTY. A HEAD OF THAT IS A DEPUTY A HEAD OF THAT IS A DEPUTY GOVERNOR OF THE RUSSIAN BANK. GOVERNOR OF THE RUSSIAN BANK. HE IS A CLOSE ALLY OF VLADIMIR HE IS A CLOSE ALLY OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. PUTIN. AND TORSIAN’S GROUP, THE RIGHTS AND TORSIAN’S GROUP, THE RIGHTS TO BEAR ARMS GROUP HAS ALWAYS TO BEAR ARMS GROUP HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF A HEAD SCRATCHER. BEEN KIND OF A HEAD SCRATCHER. BECAUSE PUTIN AND HIS PARTY BECAUSE PUTIN AND HIS PARTY DON’T ACTUALLY SUPPORT GUN DON’T ACTUALLY SUPPORT GUN RIGHTS IN RUSSIA. RIGHTS IN RUSSIA. AND ALEXANDER TORSIAN’S GROUP AND ALEXANDER TORSIAN’S GROUP DOESN’T DO ANYTHING TO SUPPORT DOESN’T DO ANYTHING TO SUPPORT GUN RIGHTS IN RUSSIA, AT ALL. GUN RIGHTS IN RUSSIA, AT ALL. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS MAKE LOTS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS MAKE LOTS AND LOTS OF CONNECTIONS TO THE AND LOTS OF CONNECTIONS TO THE AMERICAN NRA. AMERICAN NRA. THIS OFFICIAL ALEXANDER TORSIAN THIS OFFICIAL ALEXANDER TORSIAN AND HIS PROTEGE MARIA BUTINA AND HIS PROTEGE MARIA BUTINA STARTED ATTENDING THE NRA’S STARTED ATTENDING THE NRA’S YEARLY CONFERENCES EVERY YEAR IN YEARLY CONFERENCES EVERY YEAR IN THE USA. THE USA. AT THE START OF THE 2016 AT THE START OF THE 2016 CAMPAIGN, TORSIAN AND BUTINA CAMPAIGN, TORSIAN AND BUTINA HOSTED THAT DELEGATION IN HOSTED THAT DELEGATION IN MOSCOW, DECEMBER 2015. MOSCOW, DECEMBER 2015. THEN DURING THE CAMPAIGN, BUTINA THEN DURING THE CAMPAIGN, BUTINA WAS FLYING AROUND THE COUNTRY, WAS FLYING AROUND THE COUNTRY, SHOWING UP AT EVENTS FOR VARIOUS SHOWING UP AT EVENTS FOR VARIOUS PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS DURING THE PRIMARIES, INCLUDING FAMOUSLY A PRIMARIES, INCLUDING FAMOUSLY A LAS VEGAS EVENT WITH DONALD LAS VEGAS EVENT WITH DONALD TRUMP WHERE MARIA BUTINA BECAME TRUMP WHERE MARIA BUTINA BECAME THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO ASK THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO ASK TRUMP HIS POSITION ON U.S. TRUMP HIS POSITION ON U.S. SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA. SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA. SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO GET SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO GET HIM ON RECORD OPPOSING THOSE HIM ON RECORD OPPOSING THOSE SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS. IN MAY 2016, BUTINA’S BOYFRIEND, IN MAY 2016, BUTINA’S BOYFRIEND, AN AMERICAN REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST, AN AMERICAN REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST, PAUL ERICKSON, REACHED OUT TO A PAUL ERICKSON, REACHED OUT TO A TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISER OFFERING TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISER OFFERING TO ARRANGE A BACK CHANNEL TO ARRANGE A BACK CHANNEL MEETING BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND MEETING BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. VLADIMIR PUTIN. HE DID IT BY E-MAIL WITH THE HE DID IT BY E-MAIL WITH THE UNSUBTLE SUGGEST LINE, KREMLIN UNSUBTLE SUGGEST LINE, KREMLIN CONNECTION. CONNECTION. AND PAUL ERICKSON DIDN’T NAME AND PAUL ERICKSON DIDN’T NAME ALEXANDER TORSIAN IN THE E-MAIL ALEXANDER TORSIAN IN THE E-MAIL BUT HE REFERRED TO HIM AS BUT HE REFERRED TO HIM AS PRESIDENT PUTIN’S EMISSARY ON PRESIDENT PUTIN’S EMISSARY ON THIS OVERTURE. THIS OVERTURE. THAT DIDN’T WORK, BUT THAT SAME THAT DIDN’T WORK, BUT THAT SAME MONTH TORSIAN SOUGHT A MEETING MONTH TORSIAN SOUGHT A MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP AT AN NRA WITH DONALD TRUMP AT AN NRA CONVENTION. CONVENTION. AND THAT ITSELF DIDN’T PAN OUT, AND THAT ITSELF DIDN’T PAN OUT, BUT TORSIAN DID GET TO SPEND BUT TORSIAN DID GET TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH DONALD TRUMP JR. SOME TIME WITH DONALD TRUMP JR. AT A GALA HOSTED BE I THE NRA. AT A GALA HOSTED BE I THE NRA. AND THEN AT THE BEGINNING OF AND THEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE LEARN THAT THE FBI THIS YEAR, WE LEARN THAT THE FBI WAS INVESTIGATING WHETHER ALL OF WAS INVESTIGATING WHETHER ALL OF THIS, THE NRA’S HUGE SPIKE IN THIS, THE NRA’S HUGE SPIKE IN 2016 CAMPAIGN SPENDING, ITS 2016 CAMPAIGN SPENDING, ITS WEIRD AND SUDDEN AND SUDDENLY WEIRD AND SUDDEN AND SUDDENLY DEEPENING RUSSIA TIES, AND THIS DEEPENING RUSSIA TIES, AND THIS RUSSIAN OFFICIAL ALEKSANDR RUSSIAN OFFICIAL ALEKSANDR TORSHIN’S PERSISTENT ATTEMPTS TO TORSHIN’S PERSISTENT ATTEMPTS TO CONNECT WITH DONALD TRUMP OR TO CONNECT WITH DONALD TRUMP OR TO CONNECT DONALD TRUMP AND THE CONNECT DONALD TRUMP AND THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, WE LEARNED A RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, WE LEARNED A THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR THAT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR THAT THE FBI WAS INVESTIGATING THE FBI WAS INVESTIGATING WHETHER ALL THOSE THINGS MIGHT WHETHER ALL THOSE THINGS MIGHT BE INVESTIGATED. BE INVESTIGATED. McCLATCHY REPORTING IN JANUARY, McCLATCHY REPORTING IN JANUARY, QUOTE, THE FBI IS INVESTIGATING QUOTE, THE FBI IS INVESTIGATING WHETHER A TOP RUSSIAN BANKER WHETHER A TOP RUSSIAN BANKER WITH TIES TO THE KREMLIN WITH TIES TO THE KREMLIN ILLEGALLY FUNNELED MONEY TO THE ILLEGALLY FUNNELED MONEY TO THE NRA TO HELP DONALD TRUMP WIN THE NRA TO HELP DONALD TRUMP WIN THE PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY. QUOTE, FBI COUNTERINTELLIGENCE QUOTE, FBI COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATORS HAVE FOCUSED ON INVESTIGATORS HAVE FOCUSED ON THE ACTIVITIES OF ALEKSANDR THE ACTIVITIES OF ALEKSANDR TORSHIN, THE DEPUTY GOVERNOR OF TORSHIN, THE DEPUTY GOVERNOR OF RUSSIA’S CENTRAL BANK, WHO WAS RUSSIA’S CENTRAL BANK, WHO WAS KNOWN FOR HIS CLOSE KNOWN FOR HIS CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH BOTH RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIPS WITH BOTH RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THE PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THE NRA. NRA. AND THEN, OF COURSE, NOT LONG AND THEN, OF COURSE, NOT LONG THEREAFTER, MARIA BUTINA GOT THEREAFTER, MARIA BUTINA GOT ARRESTED. ARRESTED. AND CHARGED WITH CONSPIRING AND CHARGED WITH CONSPIRING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AS A AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AS A SECRET RUSSIAN AGENT. SECRET RUSSIAN AGENT. NOW PROSECUTORS SS ALLEGE THAT A NOW PROSECUTORS SS ALLEGE THAT A OF HER WORK IN GUN RIGHTS OF HER WORK IN GUN RIGHTS CIRCLES IN THE U.S. AND PERHAPS CIRCLES IN THE U.S. AND PERHAPS EVEN HER ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP EVEN HER ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST WITH THIS REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST PAUL ERICKSON, PROSECUTORS HAVE PAUL ERICKSON, PROSECUTORS HAVE INSINUATED THAT IT WAS ALL PART INSINUATED THAT IT WAS ALL PART OF A RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE OF A RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE OPERATION BEING RUN BY ALEKSANDR OPERATION BEING RUN BY ALEKSANDR TORSHIN. TORSHIN. THE AFFIDAVITS SUBMITTED BY THE AFFIDAVITS SUBMITTED BY PROSECUTORS IN CONJUNCTION WITH PROSECUTORS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CHARGES IN HER CASE, THERE THE CHARGES IN HER CASE, THERE IS MARIA BUTINA AT 3:00 A.M., IS MARIA BUTINA AT 3:00 A.M., THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION, JUST THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION, JUST AFTER DONALD TRUMP HAS WON THE AFTER DONALD TRUMP HAS WON THE ELECTION, E-MAILING ALEKSANDR ELECTION, E-MAILING ALEKSANDR TORSHIN IN MOSCOW, QUOTE, I AM TORSHIN IN MOSCOW, QUOTE, I AM READY FOR FURTHER ORDERS. READY FOR FURTHER ORDERS. WHAT WAS THE NRA DOING TIED UP WHAT WAS THE NRA DOING TIED UP WITH THESE GUYS? WITH THESE GUYS? AND NOW JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, AND NOW JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, THINGS ARE MOVING FAST FOR BOTH THINGS ARE MOVING FAST FOR BOTH MARIA BUTINA AND FOR ALEKSANDR MARIA BUTINA AND FOR ALEKSANDR TORSHIN. TORSHIN. LAST WEEK, ALEKSANDR TORSHIN LAST WEEK, ALEKSANDR TORSHIN MORE OR LESS EVAPORATED IN MORE OR LESS EVAPORATED IN MOSCOW. MOSCOW. THE RUSSIAN CENTRAL BANK WHERE THE RUSSIAN CENTRAL BANK WHERE HE HAD BEEN A DEPUTY GOVERNOR IN HE HAD BEEN A DEPUTY GOVERNOR IN A VERY HIGH PROFILE OFFICIAL A VERY HIGH PROFILE OFFICIAL ANNOUNCED UNEXPECTEDLY THAT HE ANNOUNCED UNEXPECTEDLY THAT HE HAD SUDDENLY RETIRED. HAD SUDDENLY RETIRED. AND BLOOMBERG NEWS’ RATHER AND BLOOMBERG NEWS’ RATHER OMINOUS CHARACTERIZATION, QUOTE, OMINOUS CHARACTERIZATION, QUOTE, THE CENTRAL BANK DECLINED TO THE CENTRAL BANK DECLINED TO ELABORATE ON ITS ONE-SENTENCE ELABORATE ON ITS ONE-SENTENCE STATEMENT FRIDAY. STATEMENT FRIDAY. TORSHIN DID NOT IMMEDIATELY TORSHIN DID NOT IMMEDIATELY RESPOND TO ATTEMPTS TO REACH RESPOND TO ATTEMPTS TO REACH HIM. HIM. HAPPY RETIREMENT ALL OF THE HAPPY RETIREMENT ALL OF THE SUDDEN. SUDDEN. IT CAN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO IT CAN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE AGENT YOU WITH THE FACT THAT THE AGENT YOU WERE RUNNING IN THE U.S. IS WERE RUNNING IN THE U.S. IS COPPING A PLEA AND MAKING AN COPPING A PLEA AND MAKING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FIB NOW, CAN AGREEMENT WITH THE FIB NOW, CAN IT? IT? NOW TODAY WE APPARENTLY GOT HIS NOW TODAY WE APPARENTLY GOT HIS ALLEGED AGREEMENT, MARIA BUTINA ALLEGED AGREEMENT, MARIA BUTINA REPORTEDLY AGREEING TO COP A REPORTEDLY AGREEING TO COP A PLEA AND AGREEING TO COOPERATE PLEA AND AGREEING TO COOPERATE WITH THE FBI AND FEDERAL WITH THE FBI AND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS. PROSECUTORS. SO HERE’S MY QUESTION. SO HERE’S MY QUESTION. MARIA BUTINA HAS BEEN IN JAIL MARIA BUTINA HAS BEEN IN JAIL SINCE SHE GOT ARRESTED. SINCE SHE GOT ARRESTED. SHE HAS BEEN DENIED BAIL. SHE HAS BEEN DENIED BAIL. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE WINDOW INTO WE HAVE VERY LITTLE WINDOW INTO WHAT’S BEEN GOING ON WITH HER WHAT’S BEEN GOING ON WITH HER CASE. CASE. THERE IS A GAG ORDER ON THE THERE IS A GAG ORDER ON THE CASE. CASE. WE HAD VERY LITTLE TRANSPARENCY WE HAD VERY LITTLE TRANSPARENCY THERE. THERE. IF SHE IN FACT IS GOING TO IF SHE IN FACT IS GOING TO PLEAD, THE US THAT MEAN WE’RE PLEAD, THE US THAT MEAN WE’RE FINALLY GOING TO FIGURE THIS FINALLY GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT? OUT? IF SHE’S COOPERATING, ALREADY, IF SHE’S COOPERATING, ALREADY, IF SHE IS GOING TO ENTER INTO A IF SHE IS GOING TO ENTER INTO A FORMAL COOPERATION DEAL AND FORMAL COOPERATION DEAL AND PLEAD GUILTY, WILL THIS EVEN PLEAD GUILTY, WILL THIS EVEN THIS WEEK IN COURT SHED LIGHT THIS WEEK IN COURT SHED LIGHT ON, OKAY, WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE ON, OKAY, WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE RELATED CASE OF PAUL ERICKSON, RELATED CASE OF PAUL ERICKSON, THE REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST AND NRA THE REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST AND NRA MEMBER WHO WAS HER MAYBE MEMBER WHO WAS HER MAYBE BOYFRIEND WHO APPEARS TO HAVE BOYFRIEND WHO APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN HER ENTREE INTO THIS WORLD. BEEN HER ENTREE INTO THIS WORLD. WE’VE HAD REPORTS FROM THE DAILY WE’VE HAD REPORTS FROM THE DAILY BEAST SEVERAL DAYS AGO THAT HE BEAST SEVERAL DAYS AGO THAT HE HAS RECEIVED A TARGET LETTER HAS RECEIVED A TARGET LETTER THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE CONSIDERING CHARGING HIM AS A CONSIDERING CHARGING HIM AS A FOREIGN AGENT, AS AN AGENT OF FOREIGN AGENT, AS AN AGENT OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OPERATING THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OPERATING IN THIS COUNTRY. IN THIS COUNTRY. WILL THE ERICKSON CASE FINALLY WILL THE ERICKSON CASE FINALLY BECOME CLEAR IF MARIA BUTINA IS BECOME CLEAR IF MARIA BUTINA IS PLEADING AND COOPERATING? PLEADING AND COOPERATING? THEN THERE IS THE QUESTION OF THEN THERE IS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER HER PLEA WILL ULTIMATELY WHETHER HER PLEA WILL ULTIMATELY GIVE US A WINDOW INTO WHAT GIVE US A WINDOW INTO WHAT FREAKING HAPPENED WITH THE NRA FREAKING HAPPENED WITH THE NRA IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ELECTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ELECTION INTERFERENCE SCANDAL. INTERFERENCE SCANDAL. COULD THE RESOLUTION OF MARIA COULD THE RESOLUTION OF MARIA BUTINA’S CASE FINALLY GIVE US A BUTINA’S CASE FINALLY GIVE US A WINDOW INTO WHAT HAS BEEN GOING WINDOW INTO WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON HERE? ON HERE? IF THE FBI HAS BEEN IF THE FBI HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING, AMONG OTHER INVESTIGATING, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE THINGS, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE NRA WAS USED AS A LARGE SCALE NRA WAS USED AS A LARGE SCALE CONDUIT FOR RUSSIAN MONEY INTO CONDUIT FOR RUSSIAN MONEY INTO THE EFFORT TO ELECT PRESIDENT THE EFFORT TO ELECT PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESIDENT, WILL THE MARIA TRUMP PRESIDENT, WILL THE MARIA BOUTROS BOUTROS-GHALI — BUTINA

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AND RICHARD PAINTER, ET LICKS LAWYERET LAWYERET ETICES LAWYER. ETICES LAWYER. AND “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING AND “NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD A THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD A CROWD OF STAFF FROM THE UNITED CROWD OF STAFF FROM THE UNITED STATES MISSION TO THE UNITED STATES MISSION TO THE UNITED NATIONS THAT HE WANTS TO KNOW NATIONS THAT HE WANTS TO KNOW WHO PROVIDED INFORMATION TO THE WHO PROVIDED INFORMATION TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER ABOUT HIS PHONE WHISTLEBLOWER ABOUT HIS PHONE CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE SAYING THAT WHOEVER DID UKRAINE SAYING THAT WHOEVER DID SO WAS CLOSE TO A SPY. SO WAS CLOSE TO A SPY. QUOTE, CLOSE TO A SPY AND THAT, QUOTE, CLOSE TO A SPY AND THAT, QUOTE, IN THE OLD DAYS SPIES QUOTE, IN THE OLD DAYS SPIES WERE DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY. WERE DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS, WHAT WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS, WHAT IS THE IMPLICATION HERE? IS THE IMPLICATION HERE?>>THAT’S RIGHT, THIS IS NEW>>THAT’S RIGHT, THIS IS NEW REPORTING BY MY COLLEAGUE MAGGIE REPORTING BY MY COLLEAGUE MAGGIE HABERMAN. HABERMAN. WHAT APPEARS TO HAVE HAPPENED, WHAT APPEARS TO HAVE HAPPENED, TRUMP WAS UP IN NEW YORK TODAY TRUMP WAS UP IN NEW YORK TODAY AS PART OF THE U.N. GENERAL AS PART OF THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY EFFORT AND HE SPOKE ASSEMBLY EFFORT AND HE SPOKE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO A GROUP BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO A GROUP OF DIPLOMATS ALMOST ALL OF WHOM OF DIPLOMATS ALMOST ALL OF WHOM EXCEPT FOR THE AMBASSADOR TO THE EXCEPT FOR THE AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS HERSELF ARE LONG UNITED NATIONS HERSELF ARE LONG TIME CAREER DIPLOMATS, NOT TIME CAREER DIPLOMATS, NOT POLITICAL APPOINTEES. POLITICAL APPOINTEES. AND HE WENT AFTER WHOEVER IT WAS AND HE WENT AFTER WHOEVER IT WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAD TOLD IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAD TOLD THE WHISTLEBLOWER ABOUT HIS THE WHISTLEBLOWER ABOUT HIS PHONE CALL TO THE UKRAINE PHONE CALL TO THE UKRAINE PRESIDENT IN JULY, THE ONE THAT PRESIDENT IN JULY, THE ONE THAT WE ALL SAW THE RECONSTRUCTED WE ALL SAW THE RECONSTRUCTED TRANSCRIPT OF YESTERDAY. TRANSCRIPT OF YESTERDAY. AND IMPLIED THAT THIS PERSON AND IMPLIED THAT THIS PERSON WAS — OR THOSE PEOPLE, SOURCES WAS — OR THOSE PEOPLE, SOURCES TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER, WAS A TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER, WAS A TRAITOR, WERE TRAITORS. TRAITOR, WERE TRAITORS. AND HINTED THAT THEY SHOULD BE AND HINTED THAT THEY SHOULD BE SHOT ESSENTIALLY. SHOT ESSENTIALLY.>>ENTIRELY AMAZING IN A WORLD>>ENTIRELY AMAZING IN A WORLD THAT NOTHING AMAZES ANYBODY THAT NOTHING AMAZES ANYBODY ANYMORE. ANYMORE. THE WHOLE POINT OF PROTECTING THE WHOLE POINT OF PROTECTING WHISTLEBLOWERS IS SO THAT THEY WHISTLEBLOWERS IS SO THAT THEY CAN FEEL SAFE USUALLY FROM CAN FEEL SAFE USUALLY FROM LOSING THEIR JOB. LOSING THEIR JOB. GENERALLY SPEAKING IN 2019, GENERALLY SPEAKING IN 2019, PROTECTIONS SHOULDN’T BE THAT PROTECTIONS SHOULDN’T BE THAT SOMEONE GETS SHOT FOR TELLING SOMEONE GETS SHOT FOR TELLING YOU THAT THERE IS A NATIONAL YOU THAT THERE IS A NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN IN THE WHITE SECURITY CONCERN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE.>>WELL, PSYCHOLOGICALLY>>WELL, PSYCHOLOGICALLY DERANGED AND IT WILL GET WORSE. DERANGED AND IT WILL GET WORSE. WE’RE ALREADY DEALING WITH A WE’RE ALREADY DEALING WITH A PRESIDENT WHO REFERS TO THE PRESIDENT WHO REFERS TO THE PRESS AS THE ENEMY OF THE PRESS AS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE. THAT IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED THAT IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED BY ADOLF HITLER IN HIS CAMPAIGNS BY ADOLF HITLER IN HIS CAMPAIGNS IN 1932. IN 1932. AND THIS IS A DANGEROUS MAN, AND THIS IS A DANGEROUS MAN, DONALD TRUMP, AND HE WILL GET DONALD TRUMP, AND HE WILL GET MORE DANGEROUS. MORE DANGEROUS. HE IS REFERRING TO A HE IS REFERRING TO A WHISTLEBLOWER AS A SPY. WHISTLEBLOWER AS A SPY. HE REFERS TO DEMOCRATS AS HE REFERS TO DEMOCRATS AS ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE. ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE. HE CONTINUES TO VIOLATE THE HE CONTINUES TO VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION. CONSTITUTION. AND NOW HE WILL TRY TO DRAG MIKE AND NOW HE WILL TRY TO DRAG MIKE PENCE INTO THIS AND MIKE PENCE PENCE INTO THIS AND MIKE PENCE MAY VERY WELL BE CULPABLE, BUT MAY VERY WELL BE CULPABLE, BUT DONALD TRUMP IS TURNING ON HIS DONALD TRUMP IS TURNING ON HIS VICE PRESIDENT AND POINTING TO VICE PRESIDENT AND POINTING TO HIM AND MAYBE SENDING A MESSAGE HIM AND MAYBE SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE SENATE REPUBLICANS THAT TO THE SENATE REPUBLICANS THAT IF HE IS ASKED TO RESIGN, HE MAY IF HE IS ASKED TO RESIGN, HE MAY TAKE PENCE WITH HIM. TAKE PENCE WITH HIM. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR OUR COUNTRY RIGHT SITUATION FOR OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW AND IT IS AMAZING THAT WE NOW AND IT IS AMAZING THAT WE CONTINUE TO LET THIS MAN BE IN

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>>>THOSE IN THE UK ARE GROWING>>>THOSE IN THE UK ARE GROWING WEARY OF THE BREXIT BATTLE AND WEARY OF THE BREXIT BATTLE AND IT MAY BE SHIFTING THE POLITICAL IT MAY BE SHIFTING THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE IN FAVOR OF PRIME LANDSCAPE IN FAVOR OF PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON. MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON. THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” REPORTS THERE ARE NEARLY 160 REPORTS THERE ARE NEARLY 160 LABOUR HELD DISTRICTS THAT VOTED LABOUR HELD DISTRICTS THAT VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU AND AT LEAST 40 TO LEAVE THE EU AND AT LEAST 40 TO 50 OF THEM ARE VULNERABLE TO TO 50 OF THEM ARE VULNERABLE TO SWING TO CONSERVATIVES. SWING TO CONSERVATIVES. ACCORDING TOO RECENT ACCORDING TOO RECENT ACCORDING TO RECENT POLLS, ACCORDING TO RECENT POLLS, JOHNSON’S APPROVAL RATING HAS JOHNSON’S APPROVAL RATING HAS INCREASED SINCE HIS NOMINATION INCREASED SINCE HIS NOMINATION AS LEADER INCREASING THE CHANCES AS LEADER INCREASING THE CHANCES OF A RESPONSIBLE FLIGHT. OF A RESPONSIBLE FLIGHT. JOINING US NOW FORMER PRIME JOINING US NOW FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM DAVID CAMERON, HE IS AUTHOR OF DAVID CAMERON, HE IS AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK “FOR THE RECORD.” THE NEW BOOK “FOR THE RECORD.” THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING ON THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING ON THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING.>>MR. PRIME MINISTER, THANK YOU>>MR. PRIME MINISTER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. AND DESPITE THOSE POLL NUMBERS, AND DESPITE THOSE POLL NUMBERS, BORIS JOHNSON, A MAN YOU KNEW BORIS JOHNSON, A MAN YOU KNEW AT:00 FORWARD, MAY BE FACING A AT:00 FORWARD, MAY BE FACING A NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE IN NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE IN PARLIAMENT. PARLIAMENT. WILL HE SURVIVE THAT, SHOULD HE WILL HE SURVIVE THAT, SHOULD HE SURVIVE THAT? SURVIVE THAT?>>I THINK WHAT OUGHT TO HAPPEN>>I THINK WHAT OUGHT TO HAPPEN NEXT IS PRIME MINISTER BORERY NEXT IS PRIME MINISTER BORERY JOHNSON SHOULD GO TO BRUSSELS JOHNSON SHOULD GO TO BRUSSELS AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE A AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE A WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT WITH THE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION. EUROPEAN UNION. THAT IS WHAT HE IS PLANNING TO THAT IS WHAT HE IS PLANNING TO DO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCTOBER DO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCTOBER AND HE SHOULD BRING THAT BACK TO AND HE SHOULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE UK PARLIAMENT AND I HOPE THE UK PARLIAMENT AND I HOPE THAT DEAL WILL PASSION. THAT DEAL WILL PASSION. AND WHILE I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE AND WHILE I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT WE’VE TAKEN THE WRONG STEP THAT WE’VE TAKEN THE WRONG STEP WITH BREXIT, I LED THE CAMPAIGN WITH BREXIT, I LED THE CAMPAIGN TO STAY IN, THE REFERENDUM TO STAY IN, THE REFERENDUM RESULT WAS CLEAR AND IT SHOULD RESULT WAS CLEAR AND IT SHOULD BE DELIVERED AND THE BEST WAY TO BE DELIVERED AND THE BEST WAY TO DELIVER IT IS WITH A DEAL AND I DELIVER IT IS WITH A DEAL AND I HOPE THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. HOPE THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.>>SO WHAT ODDS DO YOU GIVE NO>>SO WHAT ODDS DO YOU GIVE NO DEAL BREXIT OF ACTUALLY TAKING DEAL BREXIT OF ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE, SOMETHING THAT PRIME PLACE, SOMETHING THAT PRIME MINISTER JOHNSON HAS BEEN MINISTER JOHNSON HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR SINCE HE ASCENDED TO PUSHING FOR SINCE HE ASCENDED TO HIS POSITION ABOUT. HIS POSITION ABOUT.>>THE CENTRAL FACT IS THAT THE>>THE CENTRAL FACT IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T HAVE A GOVERNMENT DOESN’T HAVE A MAJORITY IN PARLIAMENT ANDGISLAT MAJORITY IN PARLIAMENT ANDGISLAT TO PUT A NO DIEHL BREXIT OUT OF TO PUT A NO DIEHL BREXIT OUT OF BOUNDS. BOUNDS. SO THE REAL CHOICE IS TO GET A SO THE REAL CHOICE IS TO GET A DEAL AS I HOPE BORIS JOHNSON DEAL AS I HOPE BORIS JOHNSON WILL OR TO FIND ANOTHER WAY OF WILL OR TO FIND ANOTHER WAY OF UNBLOCKING THE BLOCKAGE. UNBLOCKING THE BLOCKAGE. IT IS VERY PAINFUL TO WATCH AND IT IS VERY PAINFUL TO WATCH AND I FEEL SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR I FEEL SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SITUATION WE’RE IN. THE SITUATION WE’RE IN. WE’VE HAD THREE YEARS WHERE WE WE’VE HAD THREE YEARS WHERE WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO EITHER HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO EITHER IMPLEMENT THE OUTCOME OF THE IMPLEMENT THE OUTCOME OF THE TRUM OR TRUM OR REFERENDUM OR MOVE ON. REFERENDUM OR MOVE ON. SO FIRST STEP IS TO TRY TO GET SO FIRST STEP IS TO TRY TO GET THE DEAL. THE DEAL. IF WE CAN’T, I WOULDN’T ADVISE IF WE CAN’T, I WOULDN’T ADVISE NO-DEAL. NO-DEAL. I THINK IT WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY I THINK IT WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY DAMAGING AND WE’LL HAVE TO LOOK DAMAGING AND WE’LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER WAYS OF UNBLOCKING THE AT OTHER WAYS OF UNBLOCKING THE BLOCKAGE, POSSIBLY A GENERAL BLOCKAGE, POSSIBLY A GENERAL ELECTION OR THERE IS THE 07GS OF ELECTION OR THERE IS THE 07GS OF A SECOND REFERENDUM WHICH I A SECOND REFERENDUM WHICH I DON’T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE NECESSARILY WANT. NECESSARILY WANT. BUT WE CAN’T INTO HE ONE O GO ON BUT WE CAN’T INTO HE ONE O GO ON GOING FORWARDS NOR BACK WARDS. GOING FORWARDS NOR BACK WARDS.>>SO WE WANT TO GET TO YOUR>>SO WE WANT TO GET TO YOUR BOOK. BOOK. AND WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT BREXIT AND WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT BREXIT AND WHAT LED TO IF. AND WHAT LED TO IF. BUT BEFORE WE DID THAT, MAYBE BUT BEFORE WE DID THAT, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US OUT. YOU CAN HELP US OUT. BECAUSE FOR THREE YEARS NOW AS BECAUSE FOR THREE YEARS NOW AS YOU SAID, THE UNITED KINGDOM HAS YOU SAID, THE UNITED KINGDOM HAS BEEN PARALYZED BY BREXIT. BEEN PARALYZED BY BREXIT. ANYTIME WE GO OVER THERE AND ANYTIME WE GO OVER THERE AND START ROLLING OUR EYES ABOUT OUR START ROLLING OUR EYES ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT, WE’LL HAVE PEOPLE GOVERNMENT, WE’LL HAVE PEOPLE SAYING THAT IS JUST ONE MAN. SAYING THAT IS JUST ONE MAN. YOU WILL VOTE HIM OUT IN TIME. YOU WILL VOTE HIM OUT IN TIME. BUT IT IS OUR SYSTEM THAT SEEMS BUT IT IS OUR SYSTEM THAT SEEMS TO BE INCAPABLE OF BEING FIXED. TO BE INCAPABLE OF BEING FIXED. EXPLAIN TO THE AMERICAN AUDIENCE EXPLAIN TO THE AMERICAN AUDIENCE J IS IT THAT AFTER THREE HE J IS IT THAT AFTER THREE HE YEARS PARLIAMENT CAN’T MOVE YEARS PARLIAMENT CAN’T MOVE FORWARD, MAKE A DECISION, AND FORWARD, MAKE A DECISION, AND STICK TO IT. STICK TO IT.>>QUELL,>>QUELL,>>WELL, I THINK PART OF THE>>WELL, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THIS 2015 I HAD A PROBLEM IS THIS 2015 I HAD A MAJORITY AND WAS ABLE TO PASS MAJORITY AND WAS ABLE TO PASS THE REFERENDUM BILL THROUGH AND THE REFERENDUM BILL THROUGH AND ACTUALLY 9 OUT OF 10 VOTED FOR ACTUALLY 9 OUT OF 10 VOTED FOR THAT BILL. THAT BILL. BUT IN 2071, THERE WAS AN BUT IN 2071, THERE WAS AN ELECTION WHERE EFFECTIVELY THE ELECTION WHERE EFFECTIVELY THE GOVERNMENT LOST ITS MAJORITY AND GOVERNMENT LOST ITS MAJORITY AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT HAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO GO FORWARD, WE BEEN DIFFICULT TO GO FORWARD, WE HAVE A PARLIAMENT WITHOUT A HAVE A PARLIAMENT WITHOUT A CLEAR MAJORITY. CLEAR MAJORITY. AND YOU HAVE — WHEN YOU ARE IN AND YOU HAVE — WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT SITUATION, YOU HAVE TO THAT SITUATION, YOU HAVE TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLES AS YOU’D REACH ACROSS THE AISLES AS YOU’D SAY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES SAY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND FIND SUPPORT FOR YOUR AND FIND SUPPORT FOR YOUR PROPOSITION FROM OTHER MEMBERS PROPOSITION FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THAT HASN’T OF PARLIAMENT AND THAT HASN’T REALLY HAPPENED. REALLY HAPPENED. AND SO MY SUCKCESSOR THERESA MAY AND SO MY SUCKCESSOR THERESA MAY DID A GREAT JOB IN GETTING THE DID A GREAT JOB IN GETTING THE DEAL FROM THE EU IN TERMS OF US DEAL FROM THE EU IN TERMS OF US LEAVING WITH AN AGREEMENT BUT LEAVING WITH AN AGREEMENT BUT COULDN’T GET THAT THROUGH COULDN’T GET THAT THROUGH PARLIAMENT BECAUSE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT BECAUSE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT FROM OTHER PARTIES PARLIAMENT FROM OTHER PARTIES WOULDN’T VOTE FOR IT. WOULDN’T VOTE FOR IT. SO THAT IS WHY WE’RE STRUCK. SO THAT IS WHY WE’RE STRUCK. IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING. IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING. AND I TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY ON AND I TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY ON AMERICAN TELEVISION TO SAY THE AMERICAN TELEVISION TO SAY THE BRITISH ECONOMY IS STILL STRONG, BRITISH ECONOMY IS STILL STRONG, OUR UNEMPLOYMENT IS THE LOWEST OUR UNEMPLOYMENT IS THE LOWEST SINCE THE 1970s BRITAIN STILL SINCE THE 1970s BRITAIN STILL HAS A LOT OF ADVANTAGES. HAS A LOT OF ADVANTAGES. AND WHILE I DISAGREE WITH AND WHILE I DISAGREE WITH BREXIT, IT IS A PERFECTLY BREXIT, IT IS A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE CHOICE FOR THE SIXTH LEGITIMATE CHOICE FOR THE SIXTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD TO LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD TO SAY TO THE EUROPEAN UNION WE SAY TO THE EUROPEAN UNION WE WANT TO BE YOUR FRIENDS AND WANT TO BE YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS, BUT WE WON’T BE NEIGHBORS, BUT WE WON’T BE MEMBERS ANYMORE. MEMBERS ANYMORE. IT IS NOT THE PATH THAT I WOULD IT IS NOT THE PATH THAT I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN, BUT IT IS A HAVE CHOSEN, BUT IT IS A LEGITIMATE PATH AND ONE THAT WE LEGITIMATE PATH AND ONE THAT WE CAN MAKE WORK. CAN MAKE WORK.>>THIS IS DAVID IGNATIUS.>>THIS IS DAVID IGNATIUS. I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT OBVIOUSLY IS ON OUR MINDS THAT OBVIOUSLY IS ON OUR MINDS THESE DAY AS WE DEAL WITH THESE DAY AS WE DEAL WITH AMERICAN POLITICAL PROBLEMS. AMERICAN POLITICAL PROBLEMS. DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY POSSIBILITY THAT RUSSIAN POSSIBILITY THAT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE, RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE, RUSSIAN MANIPULATION, WAS A FACTOR IN MANIPULATION, WAS A FACTOR IN THIS KIND OF TRAIN WRECK OF THIS KIND OF TRAIN WRECK OF BRITISH POLITICS THREE YEARS AGO BRITISH POLITICS THREE YEARS AGO THAT YOU ARE STILL STRUG ARE THAT YOU ARE STILL STRUG ARE LINK TO DEAL WITH? LINK TO DEAL WITH? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT, DO HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT, DO YOU HAVE A FEELING ABOUT WHETHER YOU HAVE A FEELING ABOUT WHETHER THE ARE RUSSIANS MAY HAVE THE ARE RUSSIANS MAY HAVE AMPLIFIED THE “LEAVE” SENTIMENT AMPLIFIED THE “LEAVE” SENTIMENT AND TRIED TO PLAY ON THIS AND TRIED TO PLAY ON THIS POPULIST MOMENT? POPULIST MOMENT?>>IT WAS LOOKED INTO BY A>>IT WAS LOOKED INTO BY A SELECT COMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE OF SELECT COMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND FROM MEMORY WHAT COMMONS AND FROM MEMORY WHAT THEY FOUND IS THERE WAS SOME THEY FOUND IS THERE WAS SOME ACTIVITY BUT I DON’T THINK THAT ACTIVITY BUT I DON’T THINK THAT ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS IN ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS IN ANY WAY DECISIVE. ANY WAY DECISIVE. OBVIOUSLY I REGRET HUGELY THE OBVIOUSLY I REGRET HUGELY THE OUTCOME OF THE REFERENDUM OUTCOME OF THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN, BUT AS PRIME MINISTER, CAMPAIGN, BUT AS PRIME MINISTER, I SPENT PUBLIC TAXPAYERS MONEY I SPENT PUBLIC TAXPAYERS MONEY WRITING TO EVERY SINGLE WRITING TO EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD IN THE COUNTRY WITH A HOUSEHOLD IN THE COUNTRY WITH A LEAFLET EVERY WORD OF WHICH YOU LEAFLET EVERY WORD OF WHICH YOU I PORE THE OVER CAREFULLY TO PUT I PORE THE OVER CAREFULLY TO PUT THE ARGUMENT WHY WE SHOULD STAY. THE ARGUMENT WHY WE SHOULD STAY. I’VE COMPLAINED ABOUT INDIVIDUAL I’VE COMPLAINED ABOUT INDIVIDUAL BITS OF THE CAMPAIGN, BUT BITS OF THE CAMPAIGN, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING IT WAS, YOU GENERALLY SPEAKING IT WAS, YOU KNOW, RAMBUNCTIOUS IN A BRITAIN KNOW, RAMBUNCTIOUS IN A BRITAIN CAMPAIGN BUT I DON’T CLAIM THAT CAMPAIGN BUT I DON’T CLAIM THAT IT WAS SOMEHOW UNFAIR. IT WAS SOMEHOW UNFAIR.>>MR. PRIME MINISTER, THERE IS>>MR. PRIME MINISTER, THERE IS A STRIKING LINE IN THIS BOOK A STRIKING LINE IN THIS BOOK WHICH I’M NOT SAYING YOU DID WHICH I’M NOT SAYING YOU DID THIS FOR CRISIS MANAGEMENT, BUT THIS FOR CRISIS MANAGEMENT, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO POLITICIANS I WOULD RECOMMEND TO POLITICIANS TO BE AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS YOU TO BE AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS YOU WERE IN THIS ONE LINE. WERE IN THIS ONE LINE. OF COURSE OUR AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF COURSE OUR AMERICAN PRESIDENT WILL NEVER TAKE THIS TACT. WILL NEVER TAKE THIS TACT. BUT YOU SAY ON THE BREXIT BUT YOU SAY ON THE BREXIT FALLOUT, YOU SAY I ACCEPT THAT FALLOUT, YOU SAY I ACCEPT THAT MY APPROACH FAILED. MY APPROACH FAILED. THE DECISIONS I TOOK CONTRIBUTED THE DECISIONS I TOOK CONTRIBUTED TO THAT FAILURE. TO THAT FAILURE. I FAILED. I FAILED. VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, VERY VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, VERY STRIKING LANGUAGE. STRIKING LANGUAGE. BUT YOU GO ON TO TALK ABOUT BUT YOU GO ON TO TALK ABOUT DOING IT DESPITE THE FACT THERE DOING IT DESPITE THE FACT THERE DIDN’T SEEM TO BE A CLAMORING DIDN’T SEEM TO BE A CLAMORING FOR THIS VOTE, BUT YOU SAID FOR THIS VOTE, BUT YOU SAID STILL YOU BELIEVED THAT IT WAS, STILL YOU BELIEVED THAT IT WAS, QUOTE, INEVITABLE. QUOTE, INEVITABLE. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS STROET SOONER STROET SOONER VOTE WAS INEVITABLE ABOUT. VOTE WAS INEVITABLE ABOUT.>>WE HAD JOINED THE EU BACK IN>>WE HAD JOINED THE EU BACK IN THE 1970s, BUT WE HAD HAD TREATY THE 1970s, BUT WE HAD HAD TREATY AFTER TREATY, POWER AFTER POWER, AFTER TREATY, POWER AFTER POWER, PASS FROM THE UK TO THE EUROPEAN PASS FROM THE UK TO THE EUROPEAN UNION, REFERENDUMS KEPT BEING UNION, REFERENDUMS KEPT BEING PROMISED BUT THEY WERE NEVER PROMISED BUT THEY WERE NEVER BEING DELIVERED. BEING DELIVERED. AND ADDED TO THAT YOU HAD THE AND ADDED TO THAT YOU HAD THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EURO AS DEVELOPMENT OF THE EURO AS CURRENCY OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS CURRENCY OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE EU BUT ABOUT NOT THE UK OF THE EU BUT ABOUT NOT THE UK AND THAT WAS CHANGING THE AND THAT WAS CHANGING THE ORGANIZATION BEFORE OUR VERY ORGANIZATION BEFORE OUR VERY EYES. EYES. SO QUESTION HAD TO FIX IT. SO QUESTION HAD TO FIX IT. BUT THE PASSAGE YOU READ IS MY BUT THE PASSAGE YOU READ IS MY AIM IN FIXING IT WAS TO USE A AIM IN FIXING IT WAS TO USE A REFERENDUM TO TRIGGER A REFERENDUM TO TRIGGER A RENEGOTIATION, TO FIX SOME OF RENEGOTIATION, TO FIX SOME OF THE GENUINE PROBLEMS I SAW. THE GENUINE PROBLEMS I SAW. AND THEN SECURE OUR PLACE AS A AND THEN SECURE OUR PLACE AS A SEPARATE DIFFERENT SORT OF SEPARATE DIFFERENT SORT OF BRITISH PLACE IN THE EUROPEAN BRITISH PLACE IN THE EUROPEAN UNION AND IN THAT ENDEAVOR UNION AND IN THAT ENDEAVOR OBVIOUSLY I FAILED AND I’M FULL OBVIOUSLY I FAILED AND I’M FULL OF REGRET FOR THAT BECAUSE I OF REGRET FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE RIGHT ANSWER WAS TO THINK THE RIGHT ANSWER WAS TO STAY IN AND FIGHT FOR A BRITISH STAY IN AND FIGHT FOR A BRITISH POSITION IN EUROPE. POSITION IN EUROPE. BUT I ACCEPT THE OUTCOME OF THE BUT I ACCEPT THE OUTCOME OF THE REFERENDUM. REFERENDUM. THERE WAS A CLAMOR FOR IT BACK THERE WAS A CLAMOR FOR IT BACK IN 2012, TWO-THIRDS OF VOTERS IN 2012, TWO-THIRDS OF VOTERS SUPPORTED IT, 9D OUT OF 10 PMs SUPPORTED IT, 9D OUT OF 10 PMs VOTED FOR IT. VOTED FOR IT. EVERY POLITICAL PARTY IN BRITAIN EVERY POLITICAL PARTY IN BRITAIN WENT INTO ELECTION PROMISING A WENT INTO ELECTION PROMISING A REFERENDUM. REFERENDUM. SO THERE WAS A BIG PUBLIC DEMAND SO THERE WAS A BIG PUBLIC DEMAND FOR IT. FOR IT. BUT OBVIOUSLY I REGRET THE BUT OBVIOUSLY I REGRET THE OUTCOME. OUTCOME. BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE THE BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE THE ANSWER WORK, BUT WE NEED TO GET ANSWER WORK, BUT WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS DEADLOCK THAT WE’RE OUT OF THIS DEADLOCK THAT WE’RE IN AT THE MOMENT. IN AT THE MOMENT.>>YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT BORIS>>YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT BORIS JOHNSON. JOHNSON. AGAIN, SOMEONE YOU’VE KNOWN AGAIN, SOMEONE YOU’VE KNOWN SINCE YOUR DAYS AT EATON. SINCE YOUR DAYS AT EATON. AND YOU SUGGEST THAT — MAKE A AND YOU SUGGEST THAT — MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT MANY ARE SUGGESTION THAT MANY ARE SUGGESTING WITH THE AMERICAN SUGGESTING WITH THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, THAT BORIS JOHNSON PRESIDENT, THAT BORIS JOHNSON WHEN IT COMES TO BREXIT CARES WHEN IT COMES TO BREXIT CARES MORE ABOUT HIS OWN POLITICAL MORE ABOUT HIS OWN POLITICAL FUTURE THAN THE FUTURE OF THE FUTURE THAN THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO SUGGESTED MANY OTHERS HAVE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT HE CYNICALLY EMPLOYED THAT HE CYNICALLY EMPLOYED BREXIT TO HELP FUEL HIS BREXIT TO HELP FUEL HIS POLITICAL RISE. POLITICAL RISE. EXPLAIN THE BORIS JOHNSON THAT EXPLAIN THE BORIS JOHNSON THAT YOU’VE KNOWN FOR DECADES AND THE YOU’VE KNOWN FOR DECADES AND THE BORIS JOHNSON THAT HAS EMERGED BORIS JOHNSON THAT HAS EMERGED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, THE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.>>THE POINT I MAKE IN THE BOOK>>THE POINT I MAKE IN THE BOOK IS THAT HE HADN’T PREVIOUSLY IS THAT HE HADN’T PREVIOUSLY ARGUED FOR LEAVING THE EU. ARGUED FOR LEAVING THE EU. I EXPLAIN THAT HE WAS A I EXPLAIN THAT HE WAS A EUROSCEPTIC, THERE WAS A LOT EUROSCEPTIC, THERE WAS A LOT ABOUT BRUSSELS HE DIDN’T LIKE, A ABOUT BRUSSELS HE DIDN’T LIKE, A LOT ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT HE LOT ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT HE DIDN’T LIKE, BUT HE NEVER ARGUED DIDN’T LIKE, BUT HE NEVER ARGUED FOR LEAVING. FOR LEAVING. SO I WAS PASSIONATELY TRYING TO SO I WAS PASSIONATELY TRYING TO DEFENSE HIM TO ARGUE FOR STAYING DEFENSE HIM TO ARGUE FOR STAYING ON THE BASIS THAT STAYING AND ON THE BASIS THAT STAYING AND FIGHTING FOR BRITISH INTERESTS FIGHTING FOR BRITISH INTERESTS WAS THE BEST ANSWER. WAS THE BEST ANSWER. BUT LOOK, I WANT BORIS TO BUT LOOK, I WANT BORIS TO SUCCEED AS PRIME MINISTER. SUCCEED AS PRIME MINISTER. HE HAS A VITAL JOB TO DO GETTING HE HAS A VITAL JOB TO DO GETTING THAT NEGOTIATION IN BRUSSELS. THAT NEGOTIATION IN BRUSSELS. I WORKED WITH HIM VERY CLOSELY I WORKED WITH HIM VERY CLOSELY WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF LONDON. WHEN HE WAS MAYOR OF LONDON. HE WAS A VERY EFFECTIVE MAYOR. HE WAS A VERY EFFECTIVE MAYOR. HE CAN BE AT HIS BEST AN HE CAN BE AT HIS BEST AN EFFECTIVE POLITICIAN AND I WANT EFFECTIVE POLITICIAN AND I WANT HIM TO SUCCEED IN SORTING OUT HIM TO SUCCEED IN SORTING OUT THIS ISSUE TO BRITAIN AND ALSO THIS ISSUE TO BRITAIN AND ALSO THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. DO. KEEP THE ECONOMY GROWING, KEEP THE ECONOMY GROWING, CREATING JOB, IMPROVE PUBLIC CREATING JOB, IMPROVE PUBLIC SERVICES, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT SERVICES, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WHERE SO VITAL. WHERE SO VITAL.>>I WANT TO END ON A PERSONAL>>I WANT TO END ON A PERSONAL NOTE. NOTE. YOU TALK ABOUT THE LOSS OF YOUR YOU TALK ABOUT THE LOSS OF YOUR SON IVAN, HE WAS 6 YEARS OLD IN SON IVAN, HE WAS 6 YEARS OLD IN 2009. 2009. AND I ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE AND I ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW PARENTS THAT HAVE TO WE ALL KNOW PARENTS THAT HAVE TO ENDURE TERRIBLE LOSS, TERRIBLE ENDURE TERRIBLE LOSS, TERRIBLE HARDSHIP. HARDSHIP. IT HAPPENED TO YOU WHILE YOU IT HAPPENED TO YOU WHILE YOU WERE IN THE PUBLIC EYE. WERE IN THE PUBLIC EYE. YOU TALK ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK. YOU TALK ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK. HOW DID YOU MOVE FORWARD THROUGH HOW DID YOU MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THAT TRAGEDY? THAT TRAGEDY?>>IT WAS OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY>>IT WAS OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THESE THINGS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THESE THINGS WHEN THEY HIT YOU, THEY HIT YOU WHEN THEY HIT YOU, THEY HIT YOU LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN AT 100 LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN AT 100 MILES PER HOUR. MILES PER HOUR. AND FIRST HAVING A CHILD WITH AND FIRST HAVING A CHILD WITH SEVERE DISABILITIES IS NOT SEVERE DISABILITIES IS NOT SOMETHING YOU EXPECT AND NOT SOMETHING YOU EXPECT AND NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO COPE WITH. COPE WITH. AND SO THAT IS HUGELY IMPACTFUL. AND SO THAT IS HUGELY IMPACTFUL. AND THEN LOSING HIM SO YOUNG WAS AND THEN LOSING HIM SO YOUNG WAS HEARTBREAKING. HEARTBREAKING. I WROTE THE CHAP HE TER IN THE I WROTE THE CHAP HE TER IN THE BOOK BECAUSE I WANTED TO TALK BOOK BECAUSE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT PARTLY FOR MYSELF AND ABOUT IT PARTLY FOR MYSELF AND PARTLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARTLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARENTS WITH DISABLED CHILDREN PARENTS WITH DISABLED CHILDREN WHO STRUGGLE AS WE STRUGGLED AND WHO STRUGGLE AS WE STRUGGLED AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL IDENTIFY I THINK THAT THEY WILL IDENTIFY WITH SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES WITH SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT WE WENT THROUGH. THAT WE WENT THROUGH. GOING BACK TO WORK AFTERWARDS GOING BACK TO WORK AFTERWARDS WAS VERY DIFFICULT AND I THINK I WAS VERY DIFFICULT AND I THINK I SAY IN THE BOOK I MAYBE WENT SAY IN THE BOOK I MAYBE WENT BACK TO WORK A BIT TOO QUICKLY BACK TO WORK A BIT TOO QUICKLY RATHER THAN SPENDING MORE TIME RATHER THAN SPENDING MORE TIME THINKING IT THROUGH. THINKING IT THROUGH. BUT HE WAS A DIVINE WONDERFUL BUT HE WAS A DIVINE WONDERFUL BOY AND WE LOVED HIM. BOY AND WE LOVED HIM.>>SO AS WE READ THROUGH FOR THE>>SO AS WE READ THROUGH FOR THE RECORD, I’M CURIOUS, WHAT RECORD, I’M CURIOUS, WHAT TAKEAWAY WOULD YOU WANT AMERICAN TAKEAWAY WOULD YOU WANT AMERICAN AUDIENCES TO HAVE AS THEY READ AUDIENCES TO HAVE AS THEY READ “FOR THE RECORD” IN. “FOR THE RECORD” IN.>>I HOPE WHAT THEY WILL SEE IS>>I HOPE WHAT THEY WILL SEE IS AN EXPLANATION FOR WHERE BREXIT AN EXPLANATION FOR WHERE BREXIT CAME FROM, BUT ALSO A CAME FROM, BUT ALSO A GOVERNMENT, A GENUINE GOVERNMENT, A GENUINE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT I CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT I WOULD CALL IT THAT CUT THE WOULD CALL IT THAT CUT THE BUDGET DEFICIT BY TWO-THIRDS, BUDGET DEFICIT BY TWO-THIRDS, GOT THE COUNTRY BACK TO WORK, GOT THE COUNTRY BACK TO WORK, CREATED MILLIONS OF JOBS AND NEW CREATED MILLIONS OF JOBS AND NEW BUSINESSES AND I HOPE THAT THEY BUSINESSES AND I HOPE THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT IN SPITE OF OUR CAN SEE THAT IN SPITE OF OUR CURRENT DIFFICULTIES, THERE IS A CURRENT DIFFICULTIES, THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF STRENGTHS IN HUGE AMOUNT OF STRENGTHS IN BRITAIN THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE YOU BRITAIN THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE YOU OF NOT LEAST THE ACTION THAT THE OF NOT LEAST THE ACTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT I LED TOOK. GOVERNMENT I LED TOOK. AND THE AIM IS TO BE PRETTY AND THE AIM IS TO BE PRETTY FRANK ABOUT THINGS I GOT WRONG FRANK ABOUT THINGS I GOT WRONG AS WELL AS THINGS I GOT RIGHT. AS WELL AS THINGS I GOT RIGHT. I’M ALL FOR AS PRESIDENT BUSH I’M ALL FOR AS PRESIDENT BUSH ONCE ADVISED MY, YOU FINISH ONCE ADVISED MY, YOU FINISH BEING PRIME MINISTER, YOU WANT BEING PRIME MINISTER, YOU WANT TO LEAVE THE STAGE, BUT I THINK TO LEAVE THE STAGE, BUT I THINK AT SOME STAGE YOU HAVE TO WRITE AT SOME STAGE YOU HAVE TO WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU WERE THINKING, DOWN WHAT YOU WERE THINKING, WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO, WHAT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO, WHAT YOU THINK NOW. YOU THINK NOW. IT IS A BOOK THAT YOU CAN WRITE, IT IS A BOOK THAT YOU CAN WRITE, HISTORIANS WILL PORE OVER EVERY HISTORIANS WILL PORE OVER EVERY DETAIL AND WILL COME TO THE DETAIL AND WILL COME TO THE CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY COME TO. CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY COME TO. BUT I THINK LEADERS SHOULD TRY BUT I THINK LEADERS SHOULD TRY TO WRITE DOWN WHAT THEY WERE UP TO WRITE DOWN WHAT THEY WERE UP TO AND WHY. TO AND WHY.>>AND WHAT A CRITICAL TIME FOR>>AND WHAT A CRITICAL TIME FOR THIS BOOK TO BE RELEASED. THIS BOOK TO BE RELEASED.>>THE BOOK IS “FOR THE RECORD.”>>THE BOOK IS “FOR THE RECORD.” DAVID CAMERON, THANK YOU VERY DAVID CAMERON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US ON “MORNING MUCH FOR JOINING US ON “MORNING JOE.” JOE.”>>WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.>>WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.>>>STILL AHEAD, WHILE DEMOCRATS>>>STILL AHEAD, WHILE DEMOCRATS GO FULL FORCE ON TRUMP’S GO FULL FORCE ON TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, AMERICANS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, AMERICANS ARE STILL HOLDING OUT ONE ARE STILL HOLDING OUT ONE POTENTIAL — HOLDING ON ONE POTENTIAL — HOLDING ON ONE POTENTIAL GLIMMER OF POTENTIAL GLIMMER OF BIPARTISANSHIP. BIPARTISANSHIP. BACKGROUND CHECKS. BACKGROUND CHECKS. UP NEXT, WE’LL TALK TO SENATOR UP NEXT, WE’LL TALK TO SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY ABOUT THE GUN CHRIS MURPHY ABOUT THE GUN LEGISLATION TALKS SITTING ON THE LEGISLATION TALKS SITTING ON THE PRESIDENT’S BACK BUNNER.

Meadows: The foundation of the whistleblower complaint is falling apart


THE UNITED NATIONS. JOINING US TONIGHT IS CONGRESSMAN MARK MEADOWS. MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OVERNIGHT COMMUTE HE. AND MEMBER OF THE FREEDOM OF CAUCUS. GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. THIS HAS BEEN QUITE A DAY BEGINNING WITH THE PRESIDENT OF NEW YORK. HE’S HOME NOW. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HEARING. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT IN HISTORY, TO SEE ALL THAT WAS REPORTED WE WOULD HEAR AND READ, AND SEEING WHAT WE READ IN THE TRANSCRIPT, AND LOOKING AT THE COMPLAINT. YOUR REACTION SOMEWHAT THE COMMITTEE IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.>>I LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THERE HAS TO BE FIVE OR SIX MORE PAGES OF THIS TRANSCRIPT BASED ON THE REPORTING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT YOU START TO SAY THE BUILDUP, THE HYPE, WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE FROM ADAM SCHIFF, THE HYPE OF THE RUSSIAN COLLUSION. NOW THIS IS THE UKRAINIAN COLLUSION. YET WE SAW ADAM SCHIFF IN ALL HIS GLORY TODAY AS CHAIRMAN, HE DIDN’T READ THE TRANSCRIPT. HE HAD TO MAKE IT UP BECAUSE THEY HAD TO BUILD THIS HYPE THAT’S OUT THERE. HERE IS WHAT WE DO KNOW. THE FOUNDATION OF THIS WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS ALREADY STARTING TO FALL APART. THERE ARE REPORTS OUT JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO ON PAGE 3 WHERE A WHISTLEBLOWER SAID A WITNESS FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS ON THE CALL. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN. WHAT DIDN’T HAPPEN IS THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG, AND IT’S TIME WE ALLOW HIM TO GOVERN ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HIM IN 2016. LOU: WHAT STUNS ME AS I READ THE TRANSCRIPT, I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE IN AN INDEPENDENT READING OF THAT DOCUMENT, I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO COME CLOSE TO THE REPORTING. FORGET THE ZEAL OF THE RADICAL DEMS IN WANT TO GO FIND SOMETHING, GRAVE AND IMPEACHABLE IN IT. I CAN’T FIND ANYTHING THAT EVEN SUPPORTS THE REPORT BEING IT IN ADVANCE.>>IT DOESN’T. THERE WERE SELECTIVE LEAKS GIVEN TO DIFFERENT REPORTERS SOURCED BY PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF IT. THERE WERE PROMISED MADE BY THE PRESIDENT. HE DIDN’T MAKE ANY PROMISES. 8 MENTIONS OF JOE BIDEN, THOSE WEREN’T IN THERE. AND WE HAVE A GREAT WITNESS. THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. ZELENSKY HIMSELF. I AM ALL ABOUT THIS. BUT HERE IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO FIND. WE’LL FIND ADAM SCHIFF WILL RUSH HIS THROUGH BEFORE IT FALLS APART. THE WHOLE RUSSIA COLLUSION FELL APART. EVERYTHING THEY HAVE GONE COHEN HAS FALLEN APART. HE’S IN JAIL. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO RUN THIS THROUGH AND HAVE AN IMPEACHMENT VOTE BEFORE THIS NARRATIVE FALLS APART. BUT IT’S ALREADY FALLING APART. I HAVE NEVER SEEN MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES THIS ENGAGED IN THE HOUSE READY TO DEFEND THIS PRESIDENT. THEY KNOW WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING IS WRONG AND IT’S NOT FAIR TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS WELL. LOU: I THINK IT’S CLEAR TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ASSAULT TO THE RADICAL DEMS AND THE DEEP STATE. THE “NEW YORK TIMES” IS SAYING THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS A CIA OFFICER WHO WAS ON TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE. IT JUST GETS RICHER AND RICHER AND MORE PREPOSTEROUS THAN THE PREVIOUS DIMM PLOT.>>THERE ARE SIMILARITIES. IN THIS WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT THEY CITE A LOT OF SOURCES IN THE NEWS. WE KNOW FROM THE PREVIOUS RUSSIA COLLUSION NARRATIVE, WHAT DID THEY QUOTE? SOURCES IN THE NEWS THAT THEY PUT IN THE NEWS SO THEY COULD REPORT ON IT. LOU: WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT CALLS THAT FAKE NEWS?>>BECAUSE IT’S EXACTLY LIKE THAT. THE REPORTING PRIOR TO THIS WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINTS COMING OUT AND THE TRANSCRIPTS COMING OUT. AND BRAVO TO THE PRESIDENT FOR RELEASING THOSE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I KNOW OF IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY WHERE WE HAVE TAKEN A TRANSCRIPT OF TWO LEADERS AND GIVEN IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNREDACTED. LOU: FUTURE PRESIDENTS WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE THIS PRESIDENT’S INTELLECT AND JUDGMENT ON THEIR OWN.>>AND HOPEFULLY THEY WON’T HAVE

Joe: Will Republicans Say This Is Not A Big Deal? | Morning Joe | MSNBC


QUESTION.>>YOU KNOW WHAT –>>YOU KNOW WHAT –>>LET’S LET THE VIEWERS DECIDE.>>LET’S LET THE VIEWERS DECIDE.>>DID YOU ASK THE THE UKRAINE>>DID YOU ASK THE THE UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN? TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN?>>NO, ACTUALLY I DIDN’T.>>NO, ACTUALLY I DIDN’T. I ASKED THE UKRAINE TO I ASKED THE UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS THAT INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS THAT THERE WAS INTERFERENCE IN THE THERE WAS INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION OF 2016 BY THE ELECTION OF 2016 BY THE UKRAINIANS FOR THE BENEFIT OF UKRAINIANS FOR THE BENEFIT OF HILLARY CLINTON FOR WHICH THERE HILLARY CLINTON FOR WHICH THERE ALREADY IS A — ALREADY IS A –>>YOU NEVER ASKED ANYTHING>>YOU NEVER ASKED ANYTHING ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN? ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN? YOU NEVER ASKED ANYTHING ABOUT YOU NEVER ASKED ANYTHING ABOUT JOE BIDEN AS HIS ROLE AS A JOE BIDEN AS HIS ROLE AS A PROSECUTOR? PROSECUTOR?>>THE ONLY THINK I ASKED ABOUT>>THE ONLY THINK I ASKED ABOUT JOE BIDEN HOW IT WAS THAT SANKCO JOE BIDEN HOW IT WAS THAT SANKCO WHO WAS APPOINT WOD DISMISS THE WHO WAS APPOINT WOD DISMISS THE CASE AGAINST — CASE AGAINST –>>SO YOU DID ASK THEM TO LOOK>>SO YOU DID ASK THEM TO LOOK INTO JOE BIDEN? INTO JOE BIDEN?>>OF COURSE DID I.>>OF COURSE DID I.>>YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDN’T.>>YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDN’T.>>I DIDN’T ASK HIM TO LOOK INTO>>I DIDN’T ASK HIM TO LOOK INTO JOE BIDEN, I ASKED HIM TO LOOK JOE BIDEN, I ASKED HIM TO LOOK INTO THE ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE INTO THE ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE RELATED TO MY CLIENT WHICH RELATED TO MY CLIENT WHICH TANGENTALLY INVOLVE JOE BIDEN IN TANGENTALLY INVOLVE JOE BIDEN IN A MASSIVE BRIBERY SCHEME, NOT A MASSIVE BRIBERY SCHEME, NOT WHAT HE DID IN CHINA. WHAT HE DID IN CHINA. YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE KID YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE KID GOT $1.5 BILLION. GOT $1.5 BILLION.>>I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU –>>I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU –>>WHEN JOE BIDEN –>>WHEN JOE BIDEN –>>WITH YOU LAUNCHING>>WITH YOU LAUNCHING ALLEGATIONS, JUST BE CAREFUL ALLEGATIONS, JUST BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY. WHAT YOU SAY. I ASKED YOU DID YOU LOOK INTO I ASKED YOU DID YOU LOOK INTO JOE BIDEN YOU SAID NO. JOE BIDEN YOU SAID NO. THEN YOU WENT ON TO SAY THAT YOU THEN YOU WENT ON TO SAY THAT YOU DID. DID.>>I DIDN’T SAY THAT.>>I DIDN’T SAY THAT.>>IT’S ALL RECORDED.>>IT’S ALL RECORDED.>>WHAT I SAID WAS THIS.>>WHAT I SAID WAS THIS. I ASKED THEM TO INVESTIGATE THE I ASKED THEM TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS THAT RELATE TO THE ALLEGATIONS THAT RELATE TO THE FALSE CHARGES AGAINST THE FALSE CHARGES AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THOSE ALLEGATIONS TANGENTIALLY THOSE ALLEGATIONS TANGENTIALLY INVOLVE BIDEN — INVOLVE BIDEN –>>SO YOUR APPEARANCE SHOULD>>SO YOUR APPEARANCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN YES. HAVE BEEN YES.>>LET ME FINISH, CHRIS.>>LET ME FINISH, CHRIS. AND YOU WANT TO COVER SOME AND YOU WANT TO COVER SOME RIDICULOUS CHARGE THAT I URGE RIDICULOUS CHARGE THAT I URGE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE CORRUPTION. INVESTIGATE CORRUPTION. WELL I DID. WELL I DID. AND I’M PROUD OF IT. AND I’M PROUD OF IT.>>WELL THEN IT’S NOT RIDICULOUS>>WELL THEN IT’S NOT RIDICULOUS ALLEGATION, YOU JUST ADMITTED ALLEGATION, YOU JUST ADMITTED IT. IT.>>IT’S A RIDICULOUS ALLEGATION.>>IT’S A RIDICULOUS ALLEGATION.>>YOU JUST ADMITTED IT.>>YOU JUST ADMITTED IT.>>OF COURSE, OF COURSE –>>OF COURSE, OF COURSE –>>YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU>>YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU DID IT. DID IT.>>OF COURSE I SHOULD –>>OF COURSE I SHOULD –>>I’M NOT SAYING IT WAS WRONG>>I’M NOT SAYING IT WAS WRONG FOR YOU DO IT, I’M ASKING IF YOU FOR YOU DO IT, I’M ASKING IF YOU DID AND NOW YOU’RE SAYING YES. DID AND NOW YOU’RE SAYING YES.>>I AM GLAD THAT THE>>I AM GLAD THAT THE PRESIDENT — PRESIDENT –>>YOU ASKED THE PRESIDENT OF>>YOU ASKED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE DO THE SAME THING? UKRAINE DO THE SAME THING?>>THE ONLY WAY — I KNEW THIS A>>THE ONLY WAY — I KNEW THIS A YEAR AGO. YEAR AGO. THE ONLY WAY THIS WOULD COME OUT THE ONLY WAY THIS WOULD COME OUT IS IF YOU COME AFTER ME. IS IF YOU COME AFTER ME.>>I’M NOT COMING AFTER YOU.>>I’M NOT COMING AFTER YOU.>>COME AFTER ME.>>COME AFTER ME.>>I’M ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND>>I’M ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AND I’M ASKING YOU — I’M ASKING YOU –>>RIGHT AT THE END, THE PART WE>>RIGHT AT THE END, THE PART WE CUT OFF WAS WHEN KEVIN BACON CUT OFF WAS WHEN KEVIN BACON WALKED IN TO THE BACK OF THE WALKED IN TO THE BACK OF THE STUDIO AND READ COLONEL JESSOP STUDIO AND READ COLONEL JESSOP HIS RIGHTS. HIS RIGHTS. YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL, YOU YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL, YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL. NEED ME ON THAT WALL. YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I DID. YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I DID. HE SAID, I DID AND I’M PROUD OF HE SAID, I DID AND I’M PROUD OF IT. IT.>>WE’RE BACKING INTO EVERYTHING>>WE’RE BACKING INTO EVERYTHING THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING.>>WE’RE NOT REALLY BACKING IN.>>WE’RE NOT REALLY BACKING IN.>>WE’RE GOING IN AND EXPLAIN>>WE’RE GOING IN AND EXPLAIN THIS ALL. THIS ALL.>>EXPLAIN.>>EXPLAIN.>>WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO>>WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO THE NEWS. THE NEWS.>>MIKA’S RIGHT.>>MIKA’S RIGHT.>>IT MIGHT HELP TO LAY IT OUT>>IT MIGHT HELP TO LAY IT OUT BECAUSE IT RELATES TO THE BECAUSE IT RELATES TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS THAT WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO KEEP SECRET FROM TRYING TO KEEP SECRET FROM CONGRESS. CONGRESS. YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. TWO PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE TWO PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE MATTER TELL “THE WASHINGTON MATTER TELL “THE WASHINGTON POST” THAT IT CENTERS ON POST” THAT IT CENTERS ON UKRAINE. UKRAINE. NBC NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT NBC NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT UKRAINE IS AT THE CENTER OF THE UKRAINE IS AT THE CENTER OF THE ISSUE. ISSUE. THE WHITE HOUSE DID NOT THE WHITE HOUSE DID NOT IMMEDIATELY RESPOND TO A REQUEST IMMEDIATELY RESPOND TO A REQUEST FOR COMMENT. FOR COMMENT. THE POST, CITING TWO FORMER U.S. THE POST, CITING TWO FORMER U.S. OFFICIALS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED OFFICIALS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED THAT THE COMPLAINT WAS MADE BY A THAT THE COMPLAINT WAS MADE BY A U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL WHO U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL WHO WAS ALARMED BY A PROMISE THAT WAS ALARMED BY A PROMISE THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE TO A FOREIGN THE PRESIDENT MADE TO A FOREIGN LEADER IN A PHONE CONVERSATION. LEADER IN A PHONE CONVERSATION. TRUMP SPOKE WITH THE NEW TRUMP SPOKE WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE ON JULY 20 PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE ON JULY 20 5th. 5th. THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT WAS THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT WAS FILED LESS THAN THREE WEEKS FILED LESS THAN THREE WEEKS LATER. LATER. UKRAINE IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE UKRAINE IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT OF REPORTING THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS WITHHOLDING MILITARY AID TO WAS WITHHOLDING MILITARY AID TO THE COUNTRY WHILE AT THE SAME THE COUNTRY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYER TIME TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI WAS PUSHING FOR RUDY GIULIANI WAS PUSHING FOR THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO INVESTIGATE DEMOCRATIC INVESTIGATE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL FRONT RUNNER JOE PRESIDENTIAL FRONT RUNNER JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER. BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER. THE COMPLIMENTS OF THESE TWO THE COMPLIMENTS OF THESE TWO STORIES HAS THE HOUSE STORIES HAS THE HOUSE INVESTIGATING IF THE TRUMP INVESTIGATING IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WITHHELD THE AID ADMINISTRATION WITHHELD THE AID TO ASSIST THE PRESIDENT’S TO ASSIST THE PRESIDENT’S RE-ELECTION EFFORT. RE-ELECTION EFFORT. IT ALSO LED “THE WASHINGTON IT ALSO LED “THE WASHINGTON POST” EDITORIAL BOARD TO ACCUSE POST” EDITORIAL BOARD TO ACCUSE THE PRESIDENT OF TRYING TO FORCE THE PRESIDENT OF TRYING TO FORCE UKRAINE TO MEDDLE IN THE 2020 UKRAINE TO MEDDLE IN THE 2020 ELECTION ON HIS BEHALF. ELECTION ON HIS BEHALF. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION EVENTUALLY DID RELEASE THAT EVENTUALLY DID RELEASE THAT $250 MILLION MILITARY ASSISTANCE $250 MILLION MILITARY ASSISTANCE PACKAGE TO UKRAINE LAST WEEK BUT PACKAGE TO UKRAINE LAST WEEK BUT PROVIDED NO EXPLANATION FOR THE PROVIDED NO EXPLANATION FOR THE DELAY. DELAY. AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE WORK IN UKRAINE IN THE FOREIGN WORK IN UKRAINE IN THE FOREIGN POLICY COMMUNITY WHO SAID LOOK POLICY COMMUNITY WHO SAID LOOK INTO PHONE CALLS, THERE’S INTO PHONE CALLS, THERE’S SOMETHING — THIS WAS THIS SOMETHING — THIS WAS THIS SUMMER. SUMMER. LOOK INTO PHONE CALLS THAT WERE LOOK INTO PHONE CALLS THAT WERE MADE BETWEEN EITHER GIULIANI OR MADE BETWEEN EITHER GIULIANI OR SOMEBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION SOMEBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND UKRAINE. AND UKRAINE.>>AND WE WERE SPECIFICALLY –>>AND WE WERE SPECIFICALLY –>>AND HUNTER BIDE HE AS THE>>AND HUNTER BIDE HE AS THE ISSUE ISSUE BOYDEN BOYDEN BIDEN AS THE ISSUE. BIDEN AS THE ISSUE.>>WE WERE WARNED THIS SUMMER>>WE WERE WARNED THIS SUMMER LATE JULY, EARLY AUGUST, THEY’RE LATE JULY, EARLY AUGUST, THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT HOLDING UP FOREIGN TALKING ABOUT HOLDING UP FOREIGN AID, MILITARY AID TO UKRAB. AID, MILITARY AID TO UKRAB.>>UKRAINE UNTIL THE UKRAINIANS>>UKRAINE UNTIL THE UKRAINIANS AGREE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGREE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION.>>SO –>>SO –>>HOLD ON.>>HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. I’VE BEEN THROUGH TOO MUCH OF I’VE BEEN THROUGH TOO MUCH OF THE CONSPIRACY STUFF OVER THE THE CONSPIRACY STUFF OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS. PAST 25 YEARS. I SAID LET ME GET IN STRAIGHT. I SAID LET ME GET IN STRAIGHT. YOU’RE SAYING THAT RIGHT AS YOU’RE SAYING THAT RIGHT AS RUSSIA AS UKRAINE ARE BEGINNING RUSSIA AS UKRAINE ARE BEGINNING TO NEGOTIATE AND UKRAINE NEEDS TO NEGOTIATE AND UKRAINE NEEDS THE MILITARY HARDWARE THAT THE MILITARY HARDWARE THAT TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION’S SAYING TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION’S SAYING THEY’RE NOT GOING TO SELL IT TO THEY’RE NOT GOING TO SELL IT TO THEM UNTIL THEY DIG UP DIRT ON THEM UNTIL THEY DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN? JOE BIDEN? ARE YOU — THIS WAS IN EARLY ARE YOU — THIS WAS IN EARLY AUGUST. AUGUST. I SAID ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I SAID ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HE SAID, NOPE, CHECK IT OUT, HE SAID, NOPE, CHECK IT OUT, IT’S HAPPENING. IT’S HAPPENING. SURE ENOUGH, IT’S BEEN SLOWLY SURE ENOUGH, IT’S BEEN SLOWLY BUT SURELY COMING OUT SINCE BUT SURELY COMING OUT SINCE THEN. THEN. AND LAST NIGHT COLONEL JESSOP AND LAST NIGHT COLONEL JESSOP SAID I DID IT AND I’M PROUD OF SAID I DID IT AND I’M PROUD OF IT. IT. BY THE WAY, THEY COME ON THE BY THE WAY, THEY COME ON THE AIR, THEY SAY SOMETHING SO AIR, THEY SAY SOMETHING SO OUTRAGEOUS THAT WOULD GET OUTRAGEOUS THAT WOULD GET ANYBODY THROWN OUT OF OFFICE IN ANYBODY THROWN OUT OF OFFICE IN YEARS PAST. YEARS PAST. AND THEN ALL THEIR LITTLE AND THEN ALL THEIR LITTLE CHIHUAHUAS RUNNING AROUND CHIHUAHUAS RUNNING AROUND YAPPING GOING WHAT’S THE BIG YAPPING GOING WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL? DEAL? THAT’S WHAT THEY DO. THAT’S WHAT THEY DO. I WONDER IF REPUBLICANS FROM MY I WONDER IF REPUBLICANS FROM MY FORMER PARTY WOULD SAY THIS IS FORMER PARTY WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL TOO BECAUSE THIS NOT A BIG DEAL TOO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ONLY IMPEACHABLE, IT’S IS NOT ONLY IMPEACHABLE, IT’S NOT ONLY WRONG, IT COULD WELL BE NOT ONLY WRONG, IT COULD WELL BE A CRIME. A CRIME. AND IF IT’S NOT A CRIME, I DON’T AND IF IT’S NOT A CRIME, I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS. KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS AN>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE IF THIS IS IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE IF THIS IS NOT. NOT. LIKE, BASICALLY — LIKE, BASICALLY –>>THIS IS BIG TIME.>>THIS IS BIG TIME.>>THERE’S NOT ANYTHING THAT CAN>>THERE’S NOT ANYTHING THAT CAN GET YOU IMPEACHED IF THE GET YOU IMPEACHED IF THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT ACT ON THIS. DEMOCRATS DO NOT ACT ON THIS. AND I WON’T EVER AGAIN LINDSEY AND I WON’T EVER AGAIN LINDSEY GRAHAM TO LECTURE ME ABOUT HOW GRAHAM TO LECTURE ME ABOUT HOW IF I DON’T WANT TO SEND “X” IF I DON’T WANT TO SEND “X” NUMBER OF TROOPS TO START A NEW NUMBER OF TROOPS TO START A NEW LAND WAR, I’M NOT TOUGH ON LAND WAR, I’M NOT TOUGH ON NATIONAL SECURITY IF THIS IS NATIONAL SECURITY IF THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE WILLING TO WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE WILLING TO TOLERATE THESE DAYS. TOLERATE THESE DAYS. LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE OF THIS, LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE OF THIS, IT’S VERY ODD THAT THIS PHONE IT’S VERY ODD THAT THIS PHONE CALL WITH THE PRIME MINISTER OF CALL WITH THE PRIME MINISTER OF UKRAINE HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER UKRAINE HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER MUELLER TESTIFIED. MUELLER TESTIFIED. SO YOU’VE GOT — YOU ALMOST HAVE SO YOU’VE GOT — YOU ALMOST HAVE TO WONDER IF PRESIDENT TRUMP TO WONDER IF PRESIDENT TRUMP THOUGHT GOT AWAY WITH IT ONCE, THOUGHT GOT AWAY WITH IT ONCE, NO CONSEQUENCES FIRST GO ROUND, NO CONSEQUENCES FIRST GO ROUND, LET’S GEAR UP FOR 2020. LET’S GEAR UP FOR 2020. LET’S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. LET’S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. IT IS JUST SIMPLY ASTOUNDING TO IT IS JUST SIMPLY ASTOUNDING TO WATCH DRUNK GRANDPA LAST NIGHT WATCH DRUNK GRANDPA LAST NIGHT WHO NEEDS TO BE JUST PULLED OFF WHO NEEDS TO BE JUST PULLED OFF TO HOSPICE IF NOT — TO HOSPICE IF NOT –>>WOW.>>WOW.>>WHAT THE –>>WHAT THE –>>BY THE WAY, THIS END OF THE>>BY THE WAY, THIS END OF THE TABLE IS ROCKING OVER HERE. TABLE IS ROCKING OVER HERE.>>ONE SECOND.>>ONE SECOND. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I SPEAK FOR THE GENTLEMAN FROM I SPEAK FOR THE GENTLEMAN FROM UPPER WEST SIDE AND LOWER EAST UPPER WEST SIDE AND LOWER EAST SIDE SAYING I DISASSOCIATE AND SIDE SAYING I DISASSOCIATE AND THEY DO AS WELL FROM THE THEY DO AS WELL FROM THE COMMENTS OF OUR COLLEAGUES. COMMENTS OF OUR COLLEAGUES. REGULAR ORDER, REGULAR ORDER, REGULAR ORDER, REGULAR ORDER, SIR. SIR.>>RIGHT THERE AT THE END ASKING>>RIGHT THERE AT THE END ASKING THE QUESTION, BUT — THE QUESTION, BUT –>>YEAH, RIGHT.>>YEAH, RIGHT.>>MIKA, YOU TALK ABOUT THE>>MIKA, YOU TALK ABOUT THE BRIDGE OFF IN THE DISTANCE AND BRIDGE OFF IN THE DISTANCE AND MIKA GOING ACROSS IT, THIS ONE MIKA GOING ACROSS IT, THIS ONE JUST BURNED IT DOWN. JUST BURNED IT DOWN.>>I’M JUST SAYING WHAT EVERYONE>>I’M JUST SAYING WHAT EVERYONE SAW. SAW.>>I’M GOING TO BE RESTRAINED>>I’M GOING TO BE RESTRAINED ONE TODAY. ONE TODAY.>>THIS STORY, I THINK, IS AN>>THIS STORY, I THINK, IS AN EXTRAORDINARY THING THAT’S JUST EXTRAORDINARY THING THAT’S JUST UNFOLDING IN FRONT OF US. UNFOLDING IN FRONT OF US. WE DON’T KNOW YET WHETHER THIS WE DON’T KNOW YET WHETHER THIS IS UKRAINE AND WE DON’T YET KNOW IS UKRAINE AND WE DON’T YET KNOW WHETHER IT INVOLVES JOE BIDEN. WHETHER IT INVOLVES JOE BIDEN. YOUR FRIEND AND OURS, LAST YOUR FRIEND AND OURS, LAST NIGHT, THIS ESCALATED TO THE NIGHT, THIS ESCALATED TO THE POINT WHERE JOYCE VANCE TWEETED POINT WHERE JOYCE VANCE TWEETED LAST NIGHT IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE LAST NIGHT IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINS WHAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINS ABOUT AND IT’S ACCURATE MEANING ABOUT AND IT’S ACCURATE MEANING TETS IT’S RELATED TO CRANEUKRAIN TETS IT’S RELATED TO CRANEUKRAIN BIDEN, TRUMP MUST GO BIDEN, TRUMP MUST GO IMMEDIATELY. IMMEDIATELY.>>I THINK YOUR POINT IS RIGHT,>>I THINK YOUR POINT IS RIGHT, THIS IS GOING TO CREATE — WE’VE THIS IS GOING TO CREATE — WE’VE ALL BEEN WATCHING DEMOCRATS TRY ALL BEEN WATCHING DEMOCRATS TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THE POLITICS OF IMPEACHMENT. POLITICS OF IMPEACHMENT.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>IN IFF THIS ENDS UP BEING WHA>>IN IFF THIS ENDS UP BEING WHA APPARENTLY IS, THIS COULD HAVE APPARENTLY IS, THIS COULD HAVE THAT EFFECT WHERE IT BECOMES THAT EFFECT WHERE IT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE DEMOCRATS IN IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE TO AVOID A SERIOUS OUT THE HOUSE TO AVOID A SERIOUS OUT IN THE OPEN NO MESSING AROUND IN THE OPEN NO MESSING AROUND IMPEACHMENT, NOT JUST MEEMT IMPEACHMENT, NOT JUST MEEMT IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS IMMEDIATELY. IMMEDIATELY. JUST THINK HOW THEY’RE HANDLING JUST THINK HOW THEY’RE HANDLING THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT WHISTLE BLOWERS IN THE WHISTLE BLOWERS IN THE GOVERNMENT, IF THEY FOLLOW GOVERNMENT, IF THEY FOLLOW PROPER PROCEDURES HAVE NO PROPER PROCEDURES HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF PROTECTION. EXPECTATION OF PROTECTION.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>AND THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD>>AND THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN CORRUPT BE ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN CORRUPT ACTIVITIES AT WILL WITH NO ACTIVITIES AT WILL WITH NO OVERSIGHT WHATSOEVER AND ANYONE OVERSIGHT WHATSOEVER AND ANYONE WHO SEEKS TO HAVE THE NORMAL WHO SEEKS TO HAVE THE NORMAL OVERSIGHT FUNCTION OF THE OVERSIGHT FUNCTION OF THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE OPEN TO GOVERNMENT WILL BE OPEN TO RETRIBUTION. RETRIBUTION. ON A MILLION LEVELS THIS IS ON A MILLION LEVELS THIS IS PROBLEMATIC. PROBLEMATIC.>>ALL BAD.>>ALL BAD.>>SO KEN DILANIAN, YOU ACTUALLY>>SO KEN DILANIAN, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE I.G., THE INSPECTOR HAVE THE I.G., THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, THE MAN WHO’S SUPPOSED GENERAL, THE MAN WHO’S SUPPOSED TO BE THE INDEPENDENT VOICE FOR TO BE THE INDEPENDENT VOICE FOR THE INTEL COMMUNITY HOLDING A THE INTEL COMMUNITY HOLDING A POSITION THAT OF COURSE POSITION THAT OF COURSE REPUBLICANS ARE NOW CELEBRATING REPUBLICANS ARE NOW CELEBRATING AS IT PERTAINS TO JUSTICE AS IT PERTAINS TO JUSTICE DEPARTMENT I.G. DECISIONS. DEPARTMENT I.G. DECISIONS. BUT YOU HAVE THE I.G. TRYING TO BUT YOU HAVE THE I.G. TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION TO CONGRESS GET THE INFORMATION TO CONGRESS BECAUSE IT IS URGENT. BECAUSE IT IS URGENT. HE SAYS IT IS URGENT THAT IT MET HE SAYS IT IS URGENT THAT IT MET THAT LEGAL STANDARD. THAT LEGAL STANDARD. AND YOU HAVE BARR’S — ATTORNEY AND YOU HAVE BARR’S — ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR’S DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL BARR’S DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ACTIVELY TRYING TO JUSTICE ACTIVELY TRYING TO STONEWALL THAT AND TO KEEP IT STONEWALL THAT AND TO KEEP IT FROM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES THAT FROM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES THAT HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO LOOK AT HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION BASED ON THIS INFORMATION BASED ON STATUTES. STATUTES.>>THAT INSPECTOR GENERAL, JOE,>>THAT INSPECTOR GENERAL, JOE, MICHAEL ATKINSON IS EMERGING AS MICHAEL ATKINSON IS EMERGING AS THE HERO OF THIS WHOLE SAGA. THE HERO OF THIS WHOLE SAGA. HE’S A TRUMP APPOINTEE LET’S HE’S A TRUMP APPOINTEE LET’S REMEMBER CONFIRMED BY THE REMEMBER CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE. SENATE. HE HAPPENS TO BE A CAREER HE HAPPENS TO BE A CAREER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL. HE WON AN AWARD FOR PROSECUTING HE WON AN AWARD FOR PROSECUTING A $20 MILLION BRIBERY SCHEME IN A $20 MILLION BRIBERY SCHEME IN 2012, AND HE REVIEWED THIS 2012, AND HE REVIEWED THIS COMPLAINT, THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT, THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT AND ENDORSED THE IDEA COMPLAINT AND ENDORSED THE IDEA THAT IT MET THE DEFINITION, AS THAT IT MET THE DEFINITION, AS YOU SAID, OF URGENT CONCERN. YOU SAID, OF URGENT CONCERN. AND THAT’S RARE. AND THAT’S RARE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE HAVE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE HAVE BEEN FEW, IF ANY, OF THOSE IN BEEN FEW, IF ANY, OF THOSE IN RECENT MEMORY. RECENT MEMORY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT HAD TO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT HAD TO INVOLVE WASTE, FRAUD, OR ABUSE INVOLVE WASTE, FRAUD, OR ABUSE CONNECTED TO AN INTELLIGENCE CONNECTED TO AN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY. ACTIVITY. AND THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT AND THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT HERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AS JOHN SAID, WE DON’T OBVIOUSLY AS JOHN SAID, WE DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS UKRAINE, THE KNOW IF THIS IS UKRAINE, THE REPORTING SEEMS SOLID, NBC NEWS REPORTING SEEMS SOLID, NBC NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED IT’S THE JULY HAS NOT CONFIRMED IT’S THE JULY 25th UKRAINE CALL. 25th UKRAINE CALL. BUT IF IT WAS AND THE ALLEGATION BUT IF IT WAS AND THE ALLEGATION ABOUT THAT CALL IS THAT DONALD ABOUT THAT CALL IS THAT DONALD TRUMP MADE AN INAPPROPRIATE TRUMP MADE AN INAPPROPRIATE PROPOSAL FOR AN ARRANGEMENT, PROPOSAL FOR AN ARRANGEMENT, THAT STILL DOESN’T COVER AN THAT STILL DOESN’T COVER AN INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY, AS I INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. UNDERSTAND IT. SO WHAT SOME EXPERTS ARE TELLING SO WHAT SOME EXPERTS ARE TELLING ME IS THAT THERE MUST BEING SOME ME IS THAT THERE MUST BEING SOME SOMETHING ELSE HERE. SOMETHING ELSE HERE. IF THERE WAS A PROMISE, IT WOULD IF THERE WAS A PROMISE, IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO INVOLVE SOME KIND OF HAVE HAD TO INVOLVE SOME KIND OF INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY OF THE INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITY OF THE UNITED STATES IN ORDER FOR AN UNITED STATES IN ORDER FOR AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL TO FILE INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL TO FILE THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT. AND THEN THIS INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THEN THIS INSPECTOR GENERAL TO HAVE ENDORSED IT AND SAID, TO HAVE ENDORSED IT AND SAID, YES, I BELIEVE IT’S AN URGENT YES, I BELIEVE IT’S AN URGENT CONCERN, IT MUST GO TO THE CONCERN, IT MUST GO TO THE CONGRESSIONAL INTELLIGENCE CONGRESSIONAL INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED AFTER OF AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED AFTER OF THAT WAS THE DNI, JOE MAGUIRE, THAT WAS THE DNI, JOE MAGUIRE, WHO SAY STAND-UP GUY, FORMER WHO SAY STAND-UP GUY, FORMER NAVY S.E.A.L., RETIRED ADMIRAL, NAVY S.E.A.L., RETIRED ADMIRAL, PRAISED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PRAISED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT HE AISLE, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT HE MUST HAVE THOUGHT? MUST HAVE THOUGHT? HE KNOWS WHAT THE COMPLAINT’S HE KNOWS WHAT THE COMPLAINT’S ABOUT, ONE OF THE VERY FEW ABOUT, ONE OF THE VERY FEW PEOPLE. PEOPLE. HE KNOWS IT INVOLVES TRUMP. HE KNOWS IT INVOLVES TRUMP. HE CONSULTS THE JUSTICE HE CONSULTS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. DEPARTMENT. HE FEELS LIKE HE CAN’T MAKE THIS HE FEELS LIKE HE CAN’T MAKE THIS DECISION ALONE TO JUST HAND THIS DECISION ALONE TO JUST HAND THIS TO CONGRESS. TO CONGRESS. PEOPLE HAVE CRITICIZED HIM TO PEOPLE HAVE CRITICIZED HIM TO THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE I THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE I UNDERSTAND HIM MAKING THAT UNDERSTAND HIM MAKING THAT DECISION. DECISION. AND THEN THE DOJ WEIGHS IN AND AND THEN THE DOJ WEIGHS IN AND SAYS, ABSOLUTELY NOT, YOU CAN’T SAYS, ABSOLUTELY NOT, YOU CAN’T TURN THIS OVER. TURN THIS OVER. AND THE OLC, THE OFFICE OF LEGAL AND THE OLC, THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL ISSUES THIS OPINION. COUNSEL ISSUES THIS OPINION. NOW, SERIOUS PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED, NOW, SERIOUS PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED, INCLUDING JACK GOLDSMITH, THE INCLUDING JACK GOLDSMITH, THE HARVARD SIMILAR IN THE BUSH HARVARD SIMILAR IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THAT THIS IS A ADMINISTRATION, THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE ARGUMENT. REASONABLE ARGUMENT. THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN A THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN A PRESIDENT AND A FOREIGN LEADER PRESIDENT AND A FOREIGN LEADER ARE SOLELY THE PURVIEW OF THE ARE SOLELY THE PURVIEW OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THAT CONGRESS EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THAT CONGRESS AND PARTICULARLY THE AND PARTICULARLY THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES HAVE NO BUSINESS KNOWING WHAT WAS SAID BUSINESS KNOWING WHAT WAS SAID IN THAT CONVERSATION. IN THAT CONVERSATION. BUT REASONABLE PEOPLE LOOKING AT BUT REASONABLE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS ARE SAYING IF IT WAS AS THIS ARE SAYING IF IT WAS AS INAPPROPRIATE AS IT SEEMS TO INAPPROPRIATE AS IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN, IF THERE WAS SOME HAVE BEEN, IF THERE WAS SOME SMARMY DEAL THAT WILL TRUMP WAS SMARMY DEAL THAT WILL TRUMP WAS OFFERING, HOW COULD CONGRESS NOT OFFERING, HOW COULD CONGRESS NOT HAVE AN OVERSIGHT RULE? HAVE AN OVERSIGHT RULE? EVEN IF IT DOESN’T FALL UNDER EVEN IF IT DOESN’T FALL UNDER THIS NARROW INTELLIGENCE THIS NARROW INTELLIGENCE WHISTLEBLOWER STATUTE, THERE WHISTLEBLOWER STATUTE, THERE MAYBE WAY FOR CONGRESS TO MAYBE WAY FOR CONGRESS TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT OF THIS CONDUCT OVERSIGHT OF THIS BEHAVIOR. BEHAVIOR.>>NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.>>NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. IT’S INTERESTING, DAN COATS, IT’S INTERESTING, DAN COATS, WILLIE, STEPPED DOWN A FEW DAYS WILLIE, STEPPED DOWN A FEW DAYS AFTER THIS CALL. AFTER THIS CALL.>>THAT TIMING IS FASCINATING.>>THAT TIMING IS FASCINATING.>>AND TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT KEN>>AND TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT KEN IS SAYING WHERE IT HAS TO BE IS SAYING WHERE IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST THAT PHONE CALL, MORE THAN JUST THAT PHONE CALL, WE ACTUALLY, AGAIN, WE HEARD WE ACTUALLY, AGAIN, WE HEARD ABOUT THIS CALL ABOUT THE QUID ABOUT THIS CALL ABOUT THE QUID PRO QUO, ABOUT THE OFFER WE’LL PRO QUO, ABOUT THE OFFER WE’LL GIVE YOU MILITARY SUPPORT AND GIVE YOU MILITARY SUPPORT AND SUPPLIES TO DEFEND YOURSELF SUPPLIES TO DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION IN AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION IN RETURN FOR YOU GIVING US DIRT RETURN FOR YOU GIVING US DIRT THAT WE CAN USE IN A CAMPAIGN. THAT WE CAN USE IN A CAMPAIGN. “THE WASHINGTON POST” “THE WASHINGTON POST” EDITORIALIZED ABOUT IT ALREADY EDITORIALIZED ABOUT IT ALREADY BEFORE THIS WHISTLEBLOWER BEFORE THIS WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT BECAME PUBLIC. COMPLAINT BECAME PUBLIC. FINANCIAL TIMES REPORTED 0 ON FINANCIAL TIMES REPORTED 0 ON THIS LAST WEEK AS WELL. THIS LAST WEEK AS WELL. SO THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN SO THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN OUT. OUT. I’VE GOT TO BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE I’VE GOT TO BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE ON CAPITOL HILL HAVE HEARD ABOUT ON CAPITOL HILL HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS ALREADY. THIS ALREADY. SO THERE MAY BE EVEN MORE THAN I SO THERE MAY BE EVEN MORE THAN I THINK WHAT IS CLEARLY AN THINK WHAT IS CLEARLY AN EXTRAORDINARILY INAPPROPRIATE EXTRAORDINARILY INAPPROPRIATE AND DANGEROUS ACT. AND DANGEROUS ACT.>>YEAH, I MEAN, URGENT CONCERN>>YEAH, I MEAN, URGENT CONCERN IS NOT A TERM THROWN AROUND IS NOT A TERM THROWN AROUND LIGHTLY AS KEN CAN TELL YOU IN LIGHTLY AS KEN CAN TELL YOU IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. IT’S A LEGAL THRESHOLD WHERE IT’S A LEGAL THRESHOLD WHERE CONGRESS HAS TO INVESTIGATE. CONGRESS HAS TO INVESTIGATE. THEY DON’T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY. THEY DON’T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY. CLEARLY BY GOING TO THE JUSTICE CLEARLY BY GOING TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THE INTELLIGENCE DEPARTMENT THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER DISPLAYED THAT THEY OFFICER DISPLAYED THAT THEY DON’T TAKE IT LIKELY. DON’T TAKE IT LIKELY. THIS WAS A BIG DEAL, WHATEVER THIS WAS A BIG DEAL, WHATEVER THIS OFFICER HEARD. THIS OFFICER HEARD. BUT TO CUT THROUGH WHAT WE’RE BUT TO CUT THROUGH WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOE BIDEN IS TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOE BIDEN IS THE CANDIDATE THAT DONALD TRUMP THE CANDIDATE THAT DONALD TRUMP FEARS MOST, RIGHT, DONNY? FEARS MOST, RIGHT, DONNY? SO RUDY GIULIANI HAS BEEN IN THE SO RUDY GIULIANI HAS BEEN IN THE UKRAINE FOR THE LAST COUPLE UKRAINE FOR THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS FISHING AROUND FOR DIRT MONTHS FISHING AROUND FOR DIRT ON JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER ON JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER BIDEN. BIDEN. SO NOW YOU HAVE THE REAL SO NOW YOU HAVE THE REAL POSSIBILITY THAT THE PRESIDENT POSSIBILITY THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ON A PHONE OF THE UNITED STATES ON A PHONE CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE SAID WE’RE GOING TO UKRAINE SAID WE’RE GOING TO WITHHOLD SOME MONEY FROM YOU ON WITHHOLD SOME MONEY FROM YOU ON THE CONDITION THAT HE WILL GIVE THE CONDITION THAT HE WILL GIVE IT BACK IF YOU KEEP LOOKING INTO IT BACK IF YOU KEEP LOOKING INTO THIS GUY WHO I FEAR DEFEATING ME THIS GUY WHO I FEAR DEFEATING ME IN THE NEXT ELECTION. IN THE NEXT ELECTION.>>IT DOES FEEL LIKE A MOMENT IN>>IT DOES FEEL LIKE A MOMENT IN TIME. TIME. WE’VE SAT ON THIS SET AFTER SO WE’VE SAT ON THIS SET AFTER SO MANY TRUMP’S SNAFUS AND THIS IS MANY TRUMP’S SNAFUS AND THIS IS IT. IT. THIS IS A GAME CHANGER. THIS IS A GAME CHANGER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>AND THE DEMOCRATS CAN’T SMELL>>AND THE DEMOCRATS CAN’T SMELL THIS. THIS. I’VE BEEN GOING ALL ALONG, STEP I’VE BEEN GOING ALL ALONG, STEP AWAY FROM IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE AWAY FROM IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE WHEN IT’S A PROCESS THING, WHEN WHEN IT’S A PROCESS THING, WHEN IT’S CAMPAIGN FINANCE, THIS IS IT’S CAMPAIGN FINANCE, THIS IS THE BIG ONE. THE BIG ONE. IF THIS IS THE CASE THERE ARE IS IF THIS IS THE CASE THERE ARE IS THE SUPER BOWL AND THE DEMOCRATS THE SUPER BOWL AND THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO POUNCE AGGRESSIVELY. NEED TO POUNCE AGGRESSIVELY.>>SO THE QUESTIONS SORE>>SO THE QUESTIONS SORE IMPORTANT, I DON’T THINK THERE’S IMPORTANT, I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY WAY THE TRUTH IS GOING TO ANY WAY THE TRUTH IS GOING TO STAY HIDDEN, NUMBER ONE. STAY HIDDEN, NUMBER ONE. AND YOU WONDER IF REPUBLICANS

WHISTLEBLOWER: Trump Made Secret Deal With Foreign Leader


>>Donald Trump allegedly had a call with
a foreign leader and made a troubling promise according to a whistleblower, who filed a
formal report about this incident. Now, this story has lead to of course, fierce
disagreement between the left and the right, but we don’t know that the nature of the call
is, we don’t know who the foreign leader is. What we do know is that this whistleblower
who was part of the intelligence community found a troubling enough to report it. And then the Director of National Intelligence
didn’t do his job by letting congressional lawmakers know about it, so they can launch
an investigation. Now Trump’s interaction with the foreign leader
included a promise, that was regarded as so troubling. That it prompted an official, in the US intelligence
community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the Inspector General for the intelligence
community. Now at that point, the Inspector General is
supposed to go report it to the Director of National Intelligence. So intelligence community Inspector General
Michael Atkinson determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered
a matter of urgent concern, a legal threshold that requires notification of congressional
oversight committees. Now, at that point, Joseph Maguire is told
about this issue, and he is the Director of National Intelligence. But he did not report this to Congressional
law makers after fielding the complain on August 12th, Atkinson submitted it to acting
director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire two weeks later. By law, Maguire is required to transmit such
complaints to Congress within seven days. But in this case, he refrained from doing
so after turning for legal guidance to officials at the Justice Department. Inspector General Atkinson told the House
and Senate intelligence committees of the existence of the whistleblower, complaint
without revealing its substance, in early September. So that led to some drama among congressional
Democrats, especially Adam Schiff, who is the chair of the House Intelligence Committee. And so there was a little hint that something
was awry over the weekend, when he had an interview with Face the Nation. Here he is talking about the situation just
this past weekend.>>You issued a subpoena, on Friday, for the
acting Director of Intelligence, alleging he’s withholding a whistleblower disclosure,
possibly, to protect President Trump. That’s a pretty significant allegation here. We’re putting up a quote on the screen from
you. Have you gotten a response to this letter?>>We’ve gotten a response and the director
has said essentially that he is answering to a higher authority. And refusing to turn over the whistleblower
complaint. This is deeply troubling, no director.>>Just ignoring the subpoena.>>Well at this point, yes, ignoring the subpoena,
ignoring our request. No DNI, no Director of National Intelligence
has ever refused to turn over whistleblower complaint and here Margaret. The significance is the Inspector General
found this complaint to be urgent, found it to be credible. That is they did some preliminary investigation,
found the whistleblower to be credible that suggests corroboration. And that involves serious or flagrant wrongdoing. And according to the Director of National
Intelligence, the reason he’s not acting to provide it even though the statute mandates
that he do so, is because he has been instructed not to. Now this involved a higher authority someone
above the DNI.>>Alright, so we’re gonna get into the legal
ramifications of this, etc but breaking right now, just then as we’re doing the show live
CNN has a report. That the President did this on multiple occasions. So let me give you the quote from Manu Raju,
who is reporting for CNN, were told by multiple sources familiar with the matter. The Inspector General told the House Intelligence
Committee today, that the complaint dealt with, in part multiple instances involving
the President. We’ve know so far there was at least one incident
that caused alarm for this whistleblower, a phone call, a conversation with a foreign
leader, and that’s what we’re talking about here earlier. And it was a promise given to a foreign leader. Trump has made excuses like one, I can do
whatever I want. That’s, of course not true overall, in this
case, he can declassify information as the President, but whether it’s wise to is a different
matter, and whether it violates other laws is a different matter. So, for example, if he’s on the phone with
a foreign leader and he says, by the way our American spy is sitting right next to you. It’s your make up a title, your Deputy Foreign
Minister. Well, that might violate other laws, cuz that
guy is gonna get executed. Right?>>Right.>>So, we don’t know what promise Trump made
or what intelligence he gave to a leader. And by the way, there are five possible leaders
that he talked to. It was in this timeframe that that’s being
discussed. Prime Minister of Netherlands, not as likely,
Prime Minister of Pakistan. The Emir of Qatar, Kim Jong-un and of course,
Vladimir Putin. So which of those leaders he gave a promise
to? We don’t know what did he promise, we don’t
know. How many different times he did things that
were of urgent concern to National Security, we don’t yet know, but apparently it’s multiple
instances. We find out today. So, very curious what he promised, who he
promised it to, etc.>>Right, it really depends on the nature
of that call. And so I find it fascinating that so many
people are already on cable news making all these strong statements about, either the
President being completely innocent. He didn’t do anything wrong. This is totally okay, it’s in a purview of
what a President can and should do. And then on the left, you have concern because
the executive branch and specifically Trump administration officials, maybe even Trump
himself are encouraging individuals to do their bidding for Trump, right? Either don’t respond to subpoenas, don’t cooperate
with investigations. In this case, you have the Director of National
Intelligence not reporting the content of this formal whistleblower complaint. And remember Dan Coats stepped down. And then Donald Trump chose someone who he
felt more compatible with. And so there’s some concern that the Director
of National Intelligence isn’t doing his job and he’s just protecting Donald Trump. And by the way, the DNI, General Counsel released
a statement arguing, quote, the activity at the root of the complaint involves confidential
and potentially privileged communications. So this is the defense that they’re kind of
coming up with at the moment. No, no, this is sensitive information, congressional
lawmakers who should be investigating this don’t need to know anything about it.>>Yeah, and so, this is what Trump is done
as problematic and perhaps the most problematic, depending on what exactly you promised and
how urgent it was and how much it jeopardizes our security. And by the way, he’s done this on multiple
occasions. But this appears to be more severe than the
rest and that’s why it’s causing such alarm. He also told the Russian ambassador in the
White House, about our intelligence in Syria, that was terrible, disastrous thing. He does it all the time. That’s why ICE wouldn’t tell him when they
were gonna do the raids in Mississippi, cuz they’re like, he’ll tweet about it, it’ll
ruin the surprise.>>Mm-hm.>>And so loosely lips sink ships and the
only question is whether it’s on purpose or not. But then there is the second part, which is
the Director of National Intelligence or the acting Director. Well that one is not optional. Either there’s laws that say, you have to
report to Congress within seven days and you have to tell them what happened. You don’t just get to say, yeah, I don’t wanna
follow the laws. Well, you can say that but then you should
go to prison. So apparently, Nancy Pelosi was really upset
at Corey Lewandowski yesterday and thought like, maybe we should do contempt of Congress
on the spot. What’s stopping you? Are you ever going to hold anyone in the administration
accountable? If there is the law.>>She’s got to write that strongly worded
letter first.>>I see, right.>>And then do nothing.>>If there’s a law saying that, you must
tell Congress in seven days, it’s not negotiable.>>Right.>>Otherwise, his contempt to Congress. If you don’t do contempt of Congress, then
you’ve just said to the Trump administration which basically you have over and over again,
you don’t need to follow anything we say.>>Right.>>You can just do whatever you want and there’s
never gonna be any consequences, congratulations, you’re above the law.>>Well, the Director of National Intelligence,
Maguire, likely will face consequences which is why I find it so fascinating slash incredible. That after all these different examples of
people who have faced criminal charges, and have been given prison sentences as a result
of the criminal activity that they’ve conducted for Donald Trump. There are still people who are willing to
protect Donald Trump.>>Yeah, well, fame and power, it’s a hell
of a thing. And hell of a drug. So let me go to Donald Trump’s tweets, graphics
10 and 11. So here’s his excuse for why he apparently
gave away top secret information to a foreign leader, and made a promise to him. So we’ll find out the contrast of it again,
or maybe we won’t but we should find out the contrast of it eventually. Trump said another fake news story out there,
it never ends. Virtually any time I speak on the phone to
a foreign leader, I understand there maybe many people listening from various US agencies,
not to mention those from the other country itself, no problem. In other words, it’s a problem, but I’ll get
back to that. Knowing all of these, is any one dumb enough
to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially,
quote, heavily populated call. I would only do what is right anyway, and
only do good for the USA. Okay.>>Well there’s several examples of him not
doing right, obviously.>>Yup, okay, so break that down real quick
number one. He’s saying like, if I wanted to work with
a foreign leader, I would do it when there’s no one else around. Well has there ever been a time like that? Yes. When Donald Trump kicked out the American
translators, when he was meeting with Vladimir Putin, and only had the Russian translator,
cuz he did not want any other American to hear what he was gonna say to Putin. So now he’s saying, when I communicate with
Putin and give him promises, I usually make sure I take out all my American aids and translators,
and everyone else in the room. That’s when I tell my secret is. I’m not stupid enough to say it on the phone,
call and populate it with others. No, wrong. You are stupid enough. There isn’t anything that you could tell me,
what I would think that, yeah, well, that’s too stupid for Donald Trump. Is it possible he forgot there are other people
that could be listening to the call? Right, because when the President’s talking
to a certain foreign leaders, people are listening but they’re not part of the call. They’re not like okay, hey, Bob’s here, Sally,
can we get started right?>>Right.>>No, could Trump have forgotten and be like,
what do you need blood, of course, of course, that’s possible.>>Also,I mean, look the message that Trump
is above the law has been sent over, and over, and over again. He has faced no consequences for anything.>>Yeah.>>Right, including the clear obstruction
of justice that was outlined in the moral report. So, why would he care? I mean, I know that it’s less likely that
this is what happened but it’s possible that he just is brazen in his behavior, because
he knows he’s not gonna have to face any consequences.>>Remember he doesn’t think one step ahead. People, the number one thing they underestimate
is how on intelligent he is. So could I see him on a call with Putin. Forgetting that National Intelligence is also
listening, going Vlad, what do you need? Yes, of course I withdraw from Syria, whatever
it is. I don’t know what it is, right? Yeah, I could definitely see that. But lastly, these two tweets. If they were a book and had a title it would
be, if I did give away national secrets. This is how I did it.>>Right, right.>>I mean, I wouldn’t do it on a heavily populated
call. I do it you know, I’ve done it in the past,
but I kick out all the Americans from the room, but I, of course I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t. I’m just saying there’s a way that I normally
do it.

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FOR JOINING US. THE RACHEL MADDOW STARTS WITH THE RACHEL MADDOW STARTS WITH JOY REEDID IN FOR RACHEL. JOY REEDID IN FOR RACHEL.>>RACHEL HAS THE NIGHT OFF.>>RACHEL HAS THE NIGHT OFF. SHE’LL BE BACK ON MONDAY. SHE’LL BE BACK ON MONDAY. WE’LL BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE WE’LL BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE BREAKING NEWS FROM “THE NEW YORK BREAKING NEWS FROM “THE NEW YORK TIMES.” TIMES.” HERE IS THE HEADLINE AGAIN, FBI HERE IS THE HEADLINE AGAIN, FBI OPENED INQUIRY INTO WHETHER OPENED INQUIRY INTO WHETHER TRUMP WAS SECRETORY WORKING ON TRUMP WAS SECRETORY WORKING ON BEHALF OF RUSSIA. BEHALF OF RUSSIA. QUOTE, IN THE DAYS AFTER QUOTE, IN THE DAYS AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP FIRED JAMES B. PRESIDENT TRUMP FIRED JAMES B. COMEY COMEY COMEY, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS COMEY, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS BECAME SO CONCERNED BY THE BECAME SO CONCERNED BY THE PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR, THEY BEGAN PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR, THEY BEGAN INVESTIGATING WHETHER HE HAD INVESTIGATING WHETHER HE HAD BEEN WORKING ON BEHALF OF RUSSIA BEEN WORKING ON BEHALF OF RUSSIA AGAINST AMERICAN INTEREST. AGAINST AMERICAN INTEREST. THAT’S ACCORDING TO FORMER THAT’S ACCORDING TO FORMER OFFICIALS. OFFICIALS. THE STORY. THE STORY.>>>CO-S– CONTINUES.>>>CO-S– CONTINUES. COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INCEST GUY COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INCEST GUY INVESTIGATIONORS HAD TO CONSIDER INVESTIGATIONORS HAD TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE PRESIDENT’S OWN WHETHER THE PRESIDENT’S OWN ACTIONS CONSTITUTED A POSSIBLE ACTIONS CONSTITUTED A POSSIBLE THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. AGENTS SOUGHT TO DETERMINE AGENTS SOUGHT TO DETERMINE WHETHER MR. TRUMP WAS KNOWINGLY WHETHER MR. TRUMP WAS KNOWINGLY WORKING FOR RUSSIA OR FALLEN WORKING FOR RUSSIA OR FALLEN UNDER MOSCOW’S AGENTS. UNDER MOSCOW’S AGENTS. FBI OFFICIALS BECAME SUSPICIOUS FBI OFFICIALS BECAME SUSPICIOUS WITH TIES TO RUSSIA DURING THE WITH TIES TO RUSSIA DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN BUT HELD OFF ANON 2016 CAMPAIGN BUT HELD OFF ANON OPENING AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE OPENING AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY WERE UNCERTAIN HOW TO THEY WERE UNCERTAIN HOW TO PROCEED WITH SUCH SENSITIVITY PROCEED WITH SUCH SENSITIVITY AND MAGNITUDE. AND MAGNITUDE. THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIVITIES THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIVITIES BEFORE AND AFTER MR. COMEY’S BEFORE AND AFTER MR. COMEY’S FIRING IN MAY OF 2017, FIRING IN MAY OF 2017, PARTICULARLY TWO INSTANCES IN PARTICULARLY TWO INSTANCES IN WHICH MR. TRUMP TIED THE COMEY WHICH MR. TRUMP TIED THE COMEY DISMISSAL TO THE RUSSIA DISMISSAL TO THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. HELPED PROMPT THE COUNTER HELPED PROMPT THE COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AS SPEBLGTPECT OF T INTELLIGENCE AS SPEBLGTPECT OF T INQUIRY. INQUIRY. ONE OF THESE INSTANCES WAS A ONE OF THESE INSTANCES WAS A LETTER WRITTEN BY TRUMP WITH THE LETTER WRITTEN BY TRUMP WITH THE HELP OF STEVEN MILLER IN THE HELP OF STEVEN MILLER IN THE DAYS BEFORE HE FIRED COMEY DAYS BEFORE HE FIRED COMEY OUTLINING HIS REASONS FOR DOING OUTLINING HIS REASONS FOR DOING SO. SO. THE EXISTENCE OF THAT LETTER WAS THE EXISTENCE OF THAT LETTER WAS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED BY “THE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED BY “THE TIMES” WHICH NOTED THEN WHITE TIMES” WHICH NOTED THEN WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL DON McGAHN HOUSE COUNSEL DON McGAHN INTERVENED AND STOPPED IT FROM INTERVENED AND STOPPED IT FROM BEING SENT. BEING SENT. THE SECOND INSTANCE WAS THIS THE SECOND INSTANCE WAS THIS INTERVIEW THAT THE PRESIDENT DID INTERVIEW THAT THE PRESIDENT DID WITH LESTER HOLT TWO DAYS AFTER WITH LESTER HOLT TWO DAYS AFTER HE FIRED COMEY IN WHICH HE DIS HE FIRED COMEY IN WHICH HE DIS DISCUSSED HIS REASONING FOR DISCUSSED HIS REASONING FOR DOING SO. DOING SO.>>THERE IS NO GOOD TIME TO DO>>THERE IS NO GOOD TIME TO DO IT, BY THE WAY. IT, BY THE WAY.>>BECAUSE IN YOUR LETTER, YOU>>BECAUSE IN YOUR LETTER, YOU SAID I ACCEPTED THEIR SAID I ACCEPTED THEIR RECOMMENDATION, SO YOU HAD RECOMMENDATION, SO YOU HAD ALREADY MADE THE DECISION. ALREADY MADE THE DECISION.>>I WAS GOING TO FIRE>>I WAS GOING TO FIRE REGARDLESS OF RECOMMENDATION. REGARDLESS OF RECOMMENDATION. HE MADE A RECOMMENDATION, HE’S HE MADE A RECOMMENDATION, HE’S HIGHLY RESPECTED, VERY GOOD GIER HIGHLY RESPECTED, VERY GOOD GIER VERY SMART GUY. VERY SMART GUY. THE REPUBLICANS LIKE HIM, THE THE REPUBLICANS LIKE HIM, THE DEMOCRATS LIKE HIM. DEMOCRATS LIKE HIM. REGARDLESS OF RECOMMENDATION, I REGARDLESS OF RECOMMENDATION, I WAS GOING TO FIRE COMEY KNOWING WAS GOING TO FIRE COMEY KNOWING THERE WAS NO GOOD TIME TO DO IT THERE WAS NO GOOD TIME TO DO IT AND IN FACT, WHEN I DECIDED TO AND IN FACT, WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT, I SAID TO MYSELF, I JUST DO IT, I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS RUSSIA SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS RUSSIA THING WITH TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A THING WITH TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A MADE UP STORY. MADE UP STORY.>>WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT>>WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID, YOU I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MADE UP STORY. KNOW, THIS IS A MADE UP STORY. THIS BOMBSHELL REPORT REPORTING THIS BOMBSHELL REPORT REPORTING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WERE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WERE SO CONCERNED BY THE PRESIDENT’S SO CONCERNED BY THE PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR AFTER HE PYREFIRED COME BEHAVIOR AFTER HE PYREFIRED COME THEY BEGAN INVESTIGATING WHETHER THEY BEGAN INVESTIGATING WHETHER HE HAD BEEN WORKING ON BEHALF OF HE HAD BEEN WORKING ON BEHALF OF RUSSIA AGAINST AMERICAN RUSSIA AGAINST AMERICAN INTERESTS. INTERESTS. “THE TIMES” SAY THIS WAS A “THE TIMES” SAY THIS WAS A CONTROVERSIAL DECISION, THAT CONTROVERSIAL DECISION, THAT IT’S NOT CLEAR IF THE IT’S NOT CLEAR IF THE INVESTIGATION CONTINUES, BUT INVESTIGATION CONTINUES, BUT THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER DID IT, TOOK IT OVER MUELLER DID IT, TOOK IT OVER WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED IN MAY. WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED IN MAY. AS “THE TIMES” REPORTS, THE AS “THE TIMES” REPORTS, THE CRIMINAL AND COUNTER CRIMINAL AND COUNTER INTELLIGENCE ELEMENTS WERE INTELLIGENCE ELEMENTS WERE COUPLED TOGETHER INTO ONE COUPLED TOGETHER INTO ONE INVESTIGATION, FORMER LAW INVESTIGATION, FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS SAID IN ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS SAID IN INTERVIEWS IN RECENT WEEKS INTERVIEWS IN RECENT WEEKS BECAUSE IF MR. TRUMP OUSTED THE BECAUSE IF MR. TRUMP OUSTED THE HEAD OF THE FBI TO IMPEDE OR HEAD OF THE FBI TO IMPEDE OR EVEN END THE RUSSIA EVEN END THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, THAT WAS BOTH THE INVESTIGATION, THAT WAS BOTH THE POSSIBLE CRIME AND NATIONAL POSSIBLE CRIME AND NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN. SECURITY CONCERN. “THE TIMES” TONIGHT REPORTS “THE TIMES” TONIGHT REPORTS GETTING ACCESS TO THE TESTIMONY GETTING ACCESS TO THE TESTIMONY OF THE TOP LAWYER AT THE FBI AT OF THE TOP LAWYER AT THE FBI AT THE TIME, FBI GENERAL COUNSEL THE TIME, FBI GENERAL COUNSEL JAMES BAKER. JAMES BAKER. AND THEN FROM MR. BAKER’S HOUSE AND THEN FROM MR. BAKER’S HOUSE TESTIMONY, QUOTE, NOT ONLY WOULD TESTIMONY, QUOTE, NOT ONLY WOULD IT HAVE BEEN ISSUE OF IT HAVE BEEN ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION, IT WOULD HURT OUR OBSTRUCTION, IT WOULD HURT OUR ABOUT TOYILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHA ABOUT TOYILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHA RUSSIANS HAD DONE AND THAT’S A RUSSIANS HAD DONE AND THAT’S A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. IN HIS TESTIMONY, PORTIONS WERE IN HIS TESTIMONY, PORTIONS WERE READ TO THE “NEW YORK TIMES.” READ TO THE “NEW YORK TIMES.” WHAT A STORY. WHAT A STORY. JOINING US NOW IS MICHAEL JOINING US NOW IS MICHAEL SCHMIDT. SCHMIDT. PART OF THE THREE-PERSON TEAM PART OF THE THREE-PERSON TEAM BREAKING THE STORY. BREAKING THE STORY.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>GIVE US A BACKGROUND.>>GIVE US A BACKGROUND. HOW LODGENG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKIN HOW LODGENG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKIN ON IT? ON IT?>>IN MANY WAYS FOR A YEAR AND A>>IN MANY WAYS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF BECAUSE SINCE MUELLER WAS HALF BECAUSE SINCE MUELLER WAS APPOINTED AND COMEY FIRED, WE’VE APPOINTED AND COMEY FIRED, WE’VE BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FBI AND THE JUSTICE THE FBI AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN EXAMINING DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN EXAMINING ON THE PRESIDENT. ON THE PRESIDENT. FOR MUCH OF THAT TIME, THAT FOR MUCH OF THAT TIME, THAT MEANS WE FOCUSED ON CRIMINAL MEANS WE FOCUSED ON CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION. OBSTRUCTION. THAT SORT OF IS THE COLLECTIVE THAT SORT OF IS THE COLLECTIVE CONSEQUENCE, THE PUBLIC’S CONSEQUENCE, THE PUBLIC’S UNDERSTANDING TO THIS. UNDERSTANDING TO THIS. THERE IS A CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION THERE IS A CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION INTO THE PRESIDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE PRESIDENT BUT WHAT WE’RE BRINGING FORTH BUT WHAT WE’RE BRINGING FORTH TONIGHT, WHAT WE LEARNED IS THAT TONIGHT, WHAT WE LEARNED IS THAT THERE WAS ALSO THIS COUNTER THERE WAS ALSO THIS COUNTER INTELLIGENCE ASPECT OF THAT INTELLIGENCE ASPECT OF THAT INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY WERE INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE PRESIDENT’S TIES TO RUSSIA. PRESIDENT’S TIES TO RUSSIA. WHAT INITIALLY BEGAN HERE AS WHAT INITIALLY BEGAN HERE AS WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT WAS JUST AN WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT WAS JUST AN OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION WAS OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION WAS MUCH BIGGER AND HAD LARGER MUCH BIGGER AND HAD LARGER NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES AND NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES AND CONCERNS TO IT BECAUSE THE FOLKS CONCERNS TO IT BECAUSE THE FOLKS AT THE FBI AT THE TIME SAW THIS AT THE FBI AT THE TIME SAW THIS AS A POTENTIAL GROWTH OF AS A POTENTIAL GROWTH OF RUSSIA’S LARGER MADE ERR MEDDLIN RUSSIA’S LARGER MADE ERR MEDDLIN THE COUNTRY, THE GENERAL COUNSEL THE COUNTRY, THE GENERAL COUNSEL AT THE TIME JIM BAKER TESTIFYING AT THE TIME JIM BAKER TESTIFYING ON CAPITOL HILL, THE FIRING OF ON CAPITOL HILL, THE FIRING OF COMEY AS THE NATIONAL SECURITY COMEY AS THE NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT BECAUSE IT COULD BE A WAY THREAT BECAUSE IT COULD BE A WAY OF TRYING TO IMPEDE THE FBI’S OF TRYING TO IMPEDE THE FBI’S ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW RUSSIA ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW RUSSIA MEDDLED IN THE ELECTION, MEDDLED IN THE ELECTION, INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION AND INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION AND HELP GET DONALD TRUMP ELECTED. HELP GET DONALD TRUMP ELECTED.>>FOR MANY PEOPLE THAT HEAR>>FOR MANY PEOPLE THAT HEAR THIS STORY, IT’S A BOMBSHELL AND THIS STORY, IT’S A BOMBSHELL AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE SCOOP, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE SCOOP, THE FBI SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN THE THE FBI SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN THE MORE OF THE AGENCIES MORE OF THE AGENCIES INVESTIGATING DURING THE 2016 INVESTIGATING DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. THEY VERY FAMOUSLY ESSENTIALLY THEY VERY FAMOUSLY ESSENTIALLY DOWNPLAYED THE IDEA AND DIDN’T DOWNPLAYED THE IDEA AND DIDN’T EVEN MENTION THE FACT THAT THE EVEN MENTION THE FACT THAT THE DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS UNDER DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION DURING THE INVESTIGATION DURING THE CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. IS IT YOUR REPORTING THAT AT IS IT YOUR REPORTING THAT AT SOME POINT AFTER DONALD TRUMP SOME POINT AFTER DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED, THEY CAME TO SEE A WAS ELECTED, THEY CAME TO SEE A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT INSIDE NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THEY DIDN’T THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THEY DIDN’T SEE DURING THE CAMPAIGN? SEE DURING THE CAMPAIGN?>>I’M NOT SURE IF THAT NOTION>>I’M NOT SURE IF THAT NOTION IS ACCURATE. IS ACCURATE. WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE FBI IN WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE FBI IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION THE MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION IS THEY HAD FOUR TRUMP IS THEY HAD FOUR TRUMP ASSOCIATES UNDER INVESTIGATION ASSOCIATES UNDER INVESTIGATION LOOKING AT THEM. LOOKING AT THEM. IT WAS A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE IT WAS A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. THEY WEREN’T SURE WHAT THE REAL THEY WEREN’T SURE WHAT THE REAL LINKS WERE BACK TO RUSSIA, WHAT LINKS WERE BACK TO RUSSIA, WHAT THE REAL THERE WAS AND THEY WERE THE REAL THERE WAS AND THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GO PUBLIC WITH THAT NOT GOING TO GO PUBLIC WITH THAT INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. THE PROBLEM THE FBI RUNS INTO IS THE PROBLEM THE FBI RUNS INTO IS THAT IS SEEN WITH A BACKDROP OF THAT IS SEEN WITH A BACKDROP OF THE CLINTON E-MAIL INVESTIGATE, THE CLINTON E-MAIL INVESTIGATE, WHICH THEY HANDLED DIFFERENTLY WHICH THEY HANDLED DIFFERENTLY SO THEY GET ACCUSED OF TREATING SO THEY GET ACCUSED OF TREATING THEM DIFFERENTLY PROCEEDING WITH THEM DIFFERENTLY PROCEEDING WITH THE COUNTER INTELLIGENCE THE COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WAS THERE. MUCH WAS THERE. THEY KNEW THE DECISION TO OPEN THEY KNEW THE DECISION TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION INTO A AN INVESTIGATION INTO A CANDIDATE OR INTO A PRESIDENT CANDIDATE OR INTO A PRESIDENT HIMSELF, TRUMP, WOULD HAVE BEEN HIMSELF, TRUMP, WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ENORMOUS DEAL AND THEY NEEDED AN ENORMOUS DEAL AND THEY NEEDED TO MEET A PARTICULAR THRESHOLD TO MEET A PARTICULAR THRESHOLD TO DO THAT. TO DO THAT. AFTER THE COMEY FIRING, THEY AFTER THE COMEY FIRING, THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD ENOUGH TO DO THOUGHT THEY HAD ENOUGH TO DO THAT, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT THAT, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MONUMENTAL DECISION, REGARDLESS MONUMENTAL DECISION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMES OUT OF THE MUELLER OF WHAT COMES OUT OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, IT IS A HISTORIC INVESTIGATION, IT IS A HISTORIC MOMENT THAT THE FBI OPENED AN MOMENT THAT THE FBI OPENED AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER THE INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS COLLUDING WITH A FOREIGN WAS COLLUDING WITH A FOREIGN POWER, JUST IN AND OF ITSELF. POWER, JUST IN AND OF ITSELF.>>THAT’S EXTRAORDINARILY AS IS>>THAT’S EXTRAORDINARILY AS IS TWO THINGS IN YOUR REPORTING ARE TWO THINGS IN YOUR REPORTING ARE THE THINGS THAT CAUSED THE FBI THE THINGS THAT CAUSED THE FBI TO REALLY RELAX THEIR TO REALLY RELAX THEIR RESERVATIONS AND GO FORWARD. RESERVATIONS AND GO FORWARD. TWO THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP TWO THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF DID, THAT THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF DID, THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DID, TALK A OF THE UNITED STATES DID, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS FIRST LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS FIRST THING, WHICH IS THE LETTER AND THING, WHICH IS THE LETTER AND THIS IS THE LETTER DONALD TRUMP THIS IS THE LETTER DONALD TRUMP WANTED TO SEND TO JIM COMEY, WANTED TO SEND TO JIM COMEY, SORT OF AN EXIT LETTER TO HIM. SORT OF AN EXIT LETTER TO HIM. CAN YOU TALK MORE ABOUT THAT? CAN YOU TALK MORE ABOUT THAT?>>THE WEEKEND BEFORE COMEY>>THE WEEKEND BEFORE COMEY FIRES, TRUMP GOES TO HIS GOLF FIRES, TRUMP GOES TO HIS GOLF CLUB IN BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY, CLUB IN BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY, HE’S THERE WITH HIS KIDS AND HE’S THERE WITH HIS KIDS AND STEVEN MILLER, HIS CLOSE AID AND STEVEN MILLER, HIS CLOSE AID AND TRUMP DECIDES HE’S GOING TO FIRE TRUMP DECIDES HE’S GOING TO FIRE COMEY AND HE AND KUSHNER AND COMEY AND HE AND KUSHNER AND MILLER COAL UP WITH ERER COME UP MILLER COAL UP WITH ERER COME UP TRUMP WILL SEND TO COMEY. TRUMP WILL SEND TO COMEY. TRUMP GOES BACK TO WASHINGTON TRUMP GOES BACK TO WASHINGTON AND SAYS I’M FIRING THE FBI AND SAYS I’M FIRING THE FBI DIRECTOR AND GIVES HIM THE DIRECTOR AND GIVES HIM THE LETTER. LETTER. DON McGAHN LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS DON McGAHN LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BE THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BE SENDING. SENDING. TRUMP HAS REFERENCES TO THE TRUMP HAS REFERENCES TO THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND McGAHN RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND McGAHN THINKS IT’S PROBLEMATIC. THINKS IT’S PROBLEMATIC. WHAT HAPPENS IN TWO DAYS THAT WHAT HAPPENS IN TWO DAYS THAT FOLLOWS IS McGAHN HAS ROD FOLLOWS IS McGAHN HAS ROD ROSENSTEIN AND JEFF SESSIONS AND ROSENSTEIN AND JEFF SESSIONS AND ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THE TIME ATTORNEY GENERAL AT THE TIME COME OVER TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND COME OVER TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND ROSENSTEIN AGREES TO WRITE A ROSENSTEIN AGREES TO WRITE A LETTER FOR THE PRESIDENT. LETTER FOR THE PRESIDENT. I’LL COME UP WITH A LETTER FOR I’LL COME UP WITH A LETTER FOR YOU. YOU. YOU DON’T NEED TO MENTION YOU DON’T NEED TO MENTION RUSSIA. RUSSIA. THE LETTER FROM ROSENSTEIN COMES THE LETTER FROM ROSENSTEIN COMES BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY. BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY. IT SAYS COMEY MISHANDLED THE IT SAYS COMEY MISHANDLED THE CLINTON E-MAIL INVESTIGATION AND CLINTON E-MAIL INVESTIGATION AND SORT OF A DIFFERENT REASON THAN SORT OF A DIFFERENT REASON THAN TRUMP WANTING — WHY TRUMP WANTS TRUMP WANTING — WHY TRUMP WANTS TO GET RID OF COMEY AND THAT IS TO GET RID OF COMEY AND THAT IS THE LETTER THAT IS SENT BUT THE LETTER THAT IS SENT BUT TRUMP WAS IRRITATED WITH ROSE TRUMP WAS IRRITATED WITH ROSE ROSENSTEIN FOR NOT MENTIONING ROSENSTEIN FOR NOT MENTIONING RUSSIA. RUSSIA. TRUMP ULTIMATELY WHEN HE SENDS TRUMP ULTIMATELY WHEN HE SENDS HIS LETTER TO COMEY SAYS DEAR HIS LETTER TO COMEY SAYS DEAR MR. COMEY, THANK YOU FOR TELLING MR. COMEY, THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME THREE TIMES I WAS NOT UNDER ME THREE TIMES I WAS NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION IN THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION IN THE RUSSIA INQUIRY AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE INQUIRY AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE FBI FINDS OUT ABOUT THAT IN THE FBI FINDS OUT ABOUT THAT IN THE FOLLOWING DAYS AND PERPLEXED WHY FOLLOWING DAYS AND PERPLEXED WHY IS IT TRUMP WANTED TO MENTION IS IT TRUMP WANTED TO MENTION RUSSIA IN THE LETTER? RUSSIA IN THE LETTER? WAS IT THAT WAS REALLY DRIVING WAS IT THAT WAS REALLY DRIVING THAT? THAT? THE SECOND THING IS YOU WERE THE SECOND THING IS YOU WERE POINTING OUT EARLIER WERE HIS POINTING OUT EARLIER WERE HIS COMMENTS TO LESTER HOLT WHERE HE COMMENTS TO LESTER HOLT WHERE HE APPEARS TO SAY RUSSIA WAS ON HIS APPEARS TO SAY RUSSIA WAS ON HIS MIND WHEN HE FIRED COMEY. MIND WHEN HE FIRED COMEY.>>YOU HAVE IN HERE, IT IS>>YOU HAVE IN HERE, IT IS EXTRAORDINARY WHAT WE’VE BEEN EXTRAORDINARY WHAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE OBSTRUCTION TALKING ABOUT IN THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INQUIRY GENERALLY UP OF JUSTICE INQUIRY GENERALLY UP TO NOW HAS BEEN ABOUT THE FIRING TO NOW HAS BEEN ABOUT THE FIRING OF COMEY AS A WAY TO OBSTRUCT OF COMEY AS A WAY TO OBSTRUCT THE FBI’S INVESTIGATION MORE THE FBI’S INVESTIGATION MORE BROADLY BUT THE FBI CAME TO SEE BROADLY BUT THE FBI CAME TO SEE THE POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTION IN AND THE POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTION IN AND OF ITSELF A NATIONAL SECURITY OF ITSELF A NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN. CONCERN.>>COLLECT.>>COLLECT. THAT IS THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS THAT IS THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN LAST YEAR BY THE FBI GIVEN LAST YEAR BY THE FBI GENERAL COUNSEL AT THE TIME. GENERAL COUNSEL AT THE TIME. HE’S BASICALLY SAYING LOOK, HE’S BASICALLY SAYING LOOK, THERE WAS THIS VERY IMPORTANT THERE WAS THIS VERY IMPORTANT NATIONAL SECURITY INVESTIGATION NATIONAL SECURITY INVESTIGATION THAT WAS GOING ON, AND TO THE THAT WAS GOING ON, AND TO THE AND TENT AND TENT EXTENT TRYING TO GET RID OF EXTENT TRYING TO GET RID OF COMEY WAS TRYING TO END THE COMEY WAS TRYING TO END THE INVESTIGATION, THAT COULD HAVE INVESTIGATION, THAT COULD HAVE NATIONAL SECURITY WERE CASES IN NATIONAL SECURITY WERE CASES IN AND OF ITS SELL. AND OF ITS SELL. THAT WOULD HURT OUR ABILITY TO THAT WOULD HURT OUR ABILITY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AND GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT DID THE RUSSIANS FIGURE OUT WHAT DID THE RUSSIANS DO IN TRYING TO PREVENT IT FROM DO IN TRYING TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN AND THAT WAS THE HAPPENING AGAIN AND THAT WAS THE BROADER NATIONAL SECURITY BROADER NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN. CONCERN. THE INTERESTING THING IS WE THE INTERESTING THING IS WE THINK OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE THINK OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE AS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE CRIMINAL CONTEXT WHERE SOMEONE CRIMINAL CONTEXT WHERE SOMEONE IS INTERFERING WITH THE WITNESS IS INTERFERING WITH THE WITNESS OR LYING TO INVESTIGATORS IN A OR LYING TO INVESTIGATORS IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION THAT’S CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION THAT’S LOOKING AT ONE OR SEVERAL LOOKING AT ONE OR SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS. INDIVIDUALS. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTION COULD HAVE POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTION COULD HAVE BEEN ON A NATIONAL SECURITY BEEN ON A NATIONAL SECURITY INVESTIGATION, ONE THAT IMPACTED INVESTIGATION, ONE THAT IMPACTED THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. THIS IS NOT JUST ON A BANK THIS IS NOT JUST ON A BANK ROBBERY. ROBBERY. THIS IS NOT JUST ON A REGULAR, THIS IS NOT JUST ON A REGULAR, YOU THOUGH, CRIME THEY WERE YOU THOUGH, CRIME THEY WERE LOOKING AT. LOOKING AT. THIS WAS THE ATTACK ON THE THIS WAS THE ATTACK ON THE ELECTION. ELECTION.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY. ANOTHER PIECE AT THE END OF THE ANOTHER PIECE AT THE END OF THE PIECE THAT’S AN EXTRAORDINARY PIECE THAT’S AN EXTRAORDINARY THING, A LOT OF US REMEMBER THE THING, A LOT OF US REMEMBER THE OVAL OFFICE MEETING DONALD TRUMP OVAL OFFICE MEETING DONALD TRUMP INVITING RUSSIAN OFFICIALS IN INVITING RUSSIAN OFFICIALS IN AFTER HE FIRED MR. COMEY AND AFTER HE FIRED MR. COMEY AND THAT, TOO, BECAME PART OF THIS THAT, TOO, BECAME PART OF THIS INQUIRY. INQUIRY.>>CORRECT.>>CORRECT. THEY DON’T LEARN ABOUT THAT THEY DON’T LEARN ABOUT THAT MEETING UNTIL AFTER IT’S MEETING UNTIL AFTER IT’S DISCLOSED SOMETIME LATER. DISCLOSED SOMETIME LATER. THAT IS RIGHT AFTER TRUMP FIRES THAT IS RIGHT AFTER TRUMP FIRES COMEY, HE HAS THE RUSSIAN COMEY, HE HAS THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER AND THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER AND THE RUSSIAN AL BASS AL BASS AMBASSADOR INTO THE OVAL OFFICE AMBASSADOR INTO THE OVAL OFFICE AND SAYS HE RELIEF AID LOT OF AND SAYS HE RELIEF AID LOT OF PRESSURE ON HIM IN RELATION TO PRESSURE ON HIM IN RELATION TO THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND CALLS COMEY A NUTJOB AND WHEN CALLS COMEY A NUTJOB AND WHEN THIS COMES OUT, IT FURTHER THIS COMES OUT, IT FURTHER UNNERVES THE FBI AGENTS SAYING UNNERVES THE FBI AGENTS SAYING WHY DID HE HAVE THESE FOREIGN WHY DID HE HAVE THESE FOREIGN ADVERSARIES INTO THE OVAL ADVERSARIES INTO THE OVAL OFFICE? OFFICE? WHY WOULD HE BE SO WILLING TO DO WHY WOULD HE BE SO WILLING TO DO THIS AND TELL THEM BY FIRING THIS AND TELL THEM BY FIRING COMEY, HE ALLEVIATED PRESSURE ON COMEY, HE ALLEVIATED PRESSURE ON HIMSELF. HIMSELF.>>MICHAEL SCHMIDT, ONE OF THREE>>MICHAEL SCHMIDT, ONE OF THREE THAT BROKE THIS STORY TONIGHT.