Barr’s biggest challenge will be restoring trust to DOJ: Whitaker


JOINING ME NOW WITH MORE ON THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT’S POSING AS TRANSPORT OR WORKING THAT WAY, BLOCKING THE PUBLIC VIEW OF THE MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS OF SPY GATE, FOR ACTING U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL MATTHEW WHITAKER, GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US. AS YOU MAY GAUGE, I’M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS MOVING WITH SO LITTLE, I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WILLIAM BARR IS THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE RIGHT JOB AT THE RIGHT TIME. TOO MANY PEOPLE I RESPECT IMMENSELY AND I ACCEPT THAT. WHAT I CANNOT ACCEPT IS ANY MORE OF THE NONSENSE, THIS IS SOMETHING TRANSPARENT. WHY FOR EXAMPLE, WE NOT HAVE THE SCOPE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.>>WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE IN FRONT OF THE MARKET PEOPLE?>>IMS PRICE THEY WERE NOT PART OF MILLER’S REPORT. HE SEEMS TO PUT EVERY OTHER WORD INTO THAT REPORT IN THE 448 PAGES IN THOSE MEMOS OR SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD ELIMINATE SOME PEOPLE AS TO WHAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS AND WASN’T.>>THERE WERE SCOPE MEMOS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL LEARN IN THOSE MEMOS IS WHAT CRIMES WERE BEING INVESTIGATED, AND I THINK TO SOME EXTENT, IT MAY OR MAY NOT HELP US WITH THE ORIGINS OF THIS INVESTIGATION. LOU: WE NEED THE RIGHT AS AMERICANS TO SEE THESE DOCUMENTS, WE DON’T NEED NONSENSE ATTORNEYS SITTING IN SOME GOVERNMENT OFFICE DECIDING WHO THE HELL WE ARE.>>I AGREE ON ONE THING THE BAR DID THIS SHOULD APPLY TO THE SCOPING MEMOS. TO MAKE SURE THOSE THAT WERE NOT IMPLICATED OR CHARGED WITH A CRIME ARE NOT NAMED AS TARGET OR SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION.>>THAT IS WHAT I FEAR, PART TWO OF THE MUELLER REPORT WAS NOT ONLY UNNECESSARY BUT A DANGEROUS STANDARD, NOW WE VET ALL OF THE EVIDENCE AGAINST PEOPLE BE INVESTIGATED AND THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS.>>WE NOW HAVE SCOPE MEMOS, MAYBE MORE, WHO KNOWS HOW OFTEN THEY WERE ADJUSTING AND INNOVATING, BUT WE ALSO DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LEADER LAPTOP, ALL OF THE E-MAILS AND ALL THE EVIDENCE, WE DON’T KNOW WHY THE NSA HAS PROVIDED US 33000 MISSING, CLAYTON E-MAILS AND WHY THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS HAS BEEN ATTRIBUTABLE WITHOUT QUESTION OVER THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR THIS PRESIDENT AND IT IS TIME TO ACT LIKE A PUBLIC SERVANT INSTEAD OF A BUNCH OF LEADERS WHO ARE HAVING A SECRET HANDSHAKE, IT’S OBSCENE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.>>I DON’T HAVE ANY OF PROBLEM ACKNOWLEDGING THE MARKET PEOPLE DESERVE ABSOLUTE TRANSPARENCY ESPECIALLY ON HOW THE INVESTIGATIONS WERE STARTED AND HOW THE PRESIDENT WAS ADDED TO THE INVESTIGATION AND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, I THINK IS ALL QUESTIONS AND WE NEED TO HAVE ANSWERS. SOME OF THIS, YOU EITHER ACCEPT WHAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT — AND THIS IS WHAT BILL BARR BIGGEST CHALLENGES, RESTORING THE TRUST AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.>>EVERY QUESTION, EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD PUT ON THE TABLE. DO WE AGREE?>>THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I’VE BEEN CALLING FOR A LONG, AND PUSHING FOR. IN ASKING THE SAME EXACT QUESTIONS, WHEN BILL BARR STOOD IN FRONT OF THE MARKET PEOPLE, I’M ASKING THE QUESTIONS I CANNOT GET THE ANSWERS, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM, I HAD

Dems aren’t serious about contempt: Robert Ray


KENNEDY: THANK YOU TRISH, IT’S A POLITICAL STANDOFF WHICH WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN ABOUT A GENERATION. THE WHITE HOUSE INVOKING EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE TO BLOCK THE RELEASE OF THE FULL MUELLER REPORT. IT COMES THE SAME DAY DEMOCRATS WANTED TO HOLD. WILLIAM BARR IN CONTEMPT, CALLING IT A COST INTENTIONAL CRISIS IN TRYING TO TAKE IT OUT THE WAY TO THIS REPORT. COMING FROM PANAMA CITY, FLORIDA. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S IS ALL A BUNCH OF NONSENSE.>>ALMOST $40 MILLION, 20 TOM PETERS, DEMOCRATS, CALLED HIM ANGRY DEMOCRATS. AFTER TWO YEARS NOT SEEN A COLLISION. AND NOW THE DEMOCRATS WITH A GREAT ATTORNEY GENERAL, THEY ARE SAYING WE WANT MORE, IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE WE WANT THE MUELLER REPORT NOW THEY SAY, MUELLER REPORT, NO WE WANT TO START OVER. IT IS A DISGRACE. KENNEDY: THE WAY, THE PRESIDENT IS STILL SPEAKING, WE WILL DIP INTO THE RALLY, DON’T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT. LET’S GET BACK TO THE VOTE ON CAPITOL HILL, THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THIS AFTERNOON BOATING TO HOLD BAR IN CONTEMPT, DEMOCRATS DID IT AFTER HE REFUSED TO TURN OVER THE FULL REJECTED MUELLER REPORT TO THEM AND IT CAME AFTER EXPLOSIVE PARTISAN FIGHTING ALL DAY LONG. CHECK THIS OUT.>>NO PERSON, AND CERTAINLY NOT THE TOP 1% OF THE COUNTRY CAN BE PERMITTED FOR THE WILL OF CONGRESS AND TO PROVIDE A VALID SUBPOENA, NO PERSON THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, OR PERSON CAN BE ABOVE THE LAW. DEMOCRATS HAVE NO PLAN, NO PURPOSE AND NO AGENDA BEYOND THE ATTACKING OF THIS MINISTRATION. IF IT WERE FOR HIM BE A PRESIDENT, HE WOULD BE IN PRISON WITH MICHAEL COHEN TODAY AS INDIVIDUAL ONE AND OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE AS A MUELLER REPORT SAYS IS SO, WE ARE IN DANGER, WE NEED TO RESPOND AND WE NEED TO ACT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.>>IS ALL ABOUT TRYING TO DESTROY BILL BARR, THEY ARE SCARED HE IS GOOD TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF EVERYTHING, HE WILL FIND OUT HOW AND WHY THIS INVESTIGATION STARTED IN THE FIRST BY.>>HER DEMOCRATIC COLLIES HAVE WEAPONIZE ARE RESPONSE ABILITIES. IN MOVING TO HOLD THE AG IN CONTEMPT IS NOT ONLY PREMATURE, UNPRECEDENTED AND UNWARRANTED, IT IS SHAMEFUL. WE BELIEVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER. KENNEDY: CHAIRMAN NADLER RAN RIGHT TO THE NEAREST MICROPHONE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE SCREAMING THAT THE WHITE HOUSE, TOO MUCH POWER FROM CONGRESS.>>THERE CAN BE NO HIGHER STAKES THAN THIS ATTEMPT TO IRRIGATE ALL POWER TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AWAY FROM CONGRESS AND MORE IMPORTANT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE HAVE TALKED FROM A LONG TIME ABOUT APPROACHING A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, WE ARE NOW IN A. WE ARE NOW IN A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. KENNEDY: A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IS NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE OR WIN THE PRESIDENCY, GO BACK TO THE IDEA BOARD. BETWEEN THE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE OVER THE MUELLER REPORT AND HOLDING BARR IN CONTEMPT, IS THIS REALLY A CRISIS FOR THE NATION OR DO THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO CHILL. ROBERT RAY WITH ME, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.>>NICE TO BE WITH YOU.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT ATTEMPT FROM THE LEGAL SIDE AND HOW THIS IS PLAYED OUT WITH THE PATH OF THE FORMER AG, HARRIET MYERS, LOIS LERNER AND THE OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS, BUT NOTHING EVER HAPPENS DOES IT?>>THIS ONE IS STRIKING. REMINDER VIEWERS, BILL BARR HAS ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE LESS THAN THREE MONTHS AND LO AND BEHOLD HE NOW FINDS HIMSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF CONTEMPT PROCEEDING WHICH IS A RATHER EXTRAORDINARY DEVELOPMENT, MOST OF THE TIME IT HAPPENS, IT ENDS UP IN LITIGATION AND IT FIZZLES OUT. BECAUSE THE COURT SYSTEM OBVIOUSLY TAKES MUCH LONGER THAN ANY OTHER WAY TO SPEEDILY RESOLVE THE DISPUTE. BUT THE OTHER STRIKING THING TO ME ABOUT, TODAY DURING THE NEGOTIATION WHICH CONTINUED ON APPARENTLY THROUGH LAST EVENING, THE DEMOCRATS WERE PREPARED TO OFFER THAT IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF DEPARTMENT JUSTICE AGREED TO GO TO COURT TO SEEK AN ORDER TO RELEASE THE GRAND JURY MATERIAL, THEY WOULD DROP THE CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS, THAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW. THEY ARE NOT REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT CONTEMPT, CONTEMPT WAS A MEANS OF LEVERAGE IN ORDER TO GETTING ACCESS TO MORE OF THE REPORT, WHICH THEY KNOW THEY CANNOT BECAUSE THE JURY NADLER, A PROFILE IN COWARDICE WANTS TO HAVE ABOUT THREE. HE DOES NOT WANT TO ACTUALLY SAY WHAT THEY’RE DOING IS AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING AND HE KNOWS THAT HE HAS TO SAY THAT UNDER THE LAW IN ORDER TO HAVE A CREDIBLE APPLICATION BEFORE A COURT TO UNSEAL THE GRAND JURY MAKE UNDER MATERIAL. KENNEDY: HE CAN LOOK AT THE UNREDACTED PORT UNDER REPORT. HE HAS WARNED THEM THAT THEY CAN DO THAT AND HE COULD GO BACK AND INFORM HIS CAUCUS, HE CANNOT STAFF MEMBERS TAKE NO AND KEEP THOSE NOTES –>>IS REALLY ABOUT PROCEDURE, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU, WILL MAKE IT AVAILABLE, WHILE I WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE NOTES AND TALK TO MY COLLEAGUES, IS A WHOLE LOT ABOUT PROCEDURE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY SERIOUS WHICH IS CONTEMPT AND THAT IS JUST THE BOOTSTRAP FOR WHAT NATALIE WANTS TO DO JUST TO ARGUE THERE’S A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS WHEN THERE IS NOT ONE. KENNEDY: THIS SHOULD BE WITHHELD, AND CLEAR OF ALL ACTIONS, IS SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS, UNTIL THERE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS AND THE HELP OF THE NATION IS AT RISK, AND LOSING THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, THAT DOES NOT NEED THE PARTIAL, THAT IS WHEN YOU GET INTO REALLY DANGEROUS TERRITORY IN TERMS OF WHO THE VOTERS, PEOPLE ALREADY DO NOT LIKE CONGRESS, THEY DISTRUST CONGRESS, PRESIDENT IS ENJOYING BETTER APPROVAL RATING RIGHT NOW IN THE WAKE OF THE MUELLER REPORT BUT HE STILL HAS AN ISSUE WITH THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR, HOW MUCH OF A THREAT AS OPPOSED TO THE PRESIDENT.>>I SUPPOSE THEORETICALLY IT DOES, BUT IF YOU LOOK TO THE MEDIA, IS SUGGEST ALMOST THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS AN ISLAND, IT IS NOT AN ISLAND, IT IS, LAST TIME I CHECKED, PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. INTERVAL TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. CERTAINLY TO SIGNIFICANT AND HIGH-PROFILE MATTERS YOU ARE EXPECTED TO BE CLOSE SUPERVISION AND EXERCISE BY NOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES JUST AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, AT LEAST CERTAINLY WITH REGARDS TO MATTERS INVOLVING RUSSIA AND ANYTHING RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT, WOULD’VE BEEN

DOJ to reportedly release separate report on James Comey


LOU: WELCOME BACK THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORTEDLY SET TO RELEASE A REPORT ON JAMES COMEY CORRUPT BEHAVIOR AT HIS TIME AS FBI DIRECTOR. BY WRITTEN YORK COULD BE RELEASED TOMORROW. THEY’RE LOOKING INTO CLASSIFIED MEMORANDUM DETAILING PRIVATE CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, COMEY LEAKED THOSE TO A FRIEND IN THE MEDIA. JOINING US TONIGHT, VICTORIA, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT FOR THE CRIMINAL DIVISION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. IN GENERAL FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, FOUNDING PARTNER OF THE LAW FIRM. GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH WITH US. YOUR REACTION TO THESE REPORTS AND LET ME BE AND LET ME SE AND LET ME SPECIFIC. THIS COULD COME WITHIN 24 HOURS. YOUR THOUGHTS?>>I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING NUMBER ONE FOR 40 MONTHS. I WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU GET TIRED OF WINNING. WILL YOU PLEASE TELL US.>>BE PREPARED TO WAIT. [LAUGHTER]>>NOW REGARDING THE COMEY REPORT, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT THERE WAS A DECISION NOT TO PROSECUTE COMEY AND OTHER ID REPORT IS COMING OUT SO I DON’T THINK IT’S ANY BIG DEAL AS FAR AS IS GOING TO COME OUT INTO THE PROS, THEY MAY CRITICIZE HIM BUT THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE AND I HOPE HE IS INCLUDED IN THE FISA ABUSE PART BECAUSE HE SIGHED THE FIRST FISA APPLICATION WITH VERIFICATION ON THE TOP OF IT AND IT WAS NOT VERIFIED AND THAT IS AN ERROR IN TAKING AWAY THE DUE PROCESS OF CARTER PAGE. LOU: TO QUESTIONS, ONE IS WHY WHY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL CARRIED A SEPARATE REPORT ON THE FIRED FBI DIRECTOR, AND WITH A SUGGESTION THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PROSECUTION, COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE A REVERSAL OF WHAT APPEARED TO BE AN EARLIER DECISION?>>NO, I THINK THEY WANTED TO MAKE THE PROSECUTION DECISION FIRST, THEY HAD THE HOROWITZ REPORT AND HE DID NOT WANT TO PUBLISH THAT IF THEY WERE GOING TO PROSECUTE. THEY MIGHT’VE HELD IT UP IF THEY WERE GOING TO CHURCH AND. ONCE HE DECIDED NOT TO CHARGE HE WILL NOW RELEASE HIS REPORT. I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS BECAUSE OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT I AGREE WITH VICTORIA. THE MOTHER LOAD IS NOT THE REPORT, I’M SURE THERE WILL BE AWFUL BEHAVIOR BY HIM AND HIS LAWYER AND THIS OTHER STUFF. TO BE WHAT MATTERS IS THE FISA APP LOCATION PROCESS. I’M SURE THAT’S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE REMOVER, THAT IS THAT THE GENESIS OF ALL THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. WHAT THEY DID TO TRY TO GET THE PRESIDENT THROUGH CARTER PAGE. LOU: LET’S TALK ABOUT THAT, FOR FISA WARRANT APPLIED FOR IN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL HAS INDICATED THAT ALL FOUR WERE ILLEGAL. HOW COULD HE NOT HOLD RESPONSIBLE EVERY SIGNATORY ON EVERY ONE OF THE WARRANT APPLICATIONS?>>A DEVICE WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING INDICTED FOR THIS FALSE STATEMENT. LIKE LYING TO AN ID WHICH IS CHILD’S PLAY, MICHAEL FLYNN MADE A FALSE STATEMENT ABOUT HIS CONVERSATION WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADORS THAT ALREADY HAVE THE COMPLETE CONVERSATION. BUT THIS WAS GOING AFTER, TAKING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE WEAPON AND DIRECTING IT AT A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AND THE OPPOSING PARTY. HOW COULD THIS NOT BE SOME KIND OF CRIMINAL OFFENSE.>>IT IS ABSOLUTELY INCONCEIVABLE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR WARRANTS OF THIS MAGNITUDE INVOLVING A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AND THEY WERE ALL FALSELY OBTAINED, IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT YOU CANNOT PROSECUTE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. IF THAT IS THE DECISION THAT IS MADE, NOT TO PROSECUTE, THERE BETTER BE A DAMN GOOD EXPLANATION. LOU: I WAS JUST UNDERLYING THE! ‘S AFTER EVERY WORD YOU SAID. IT IS THE MARK OF IT IS THE AARK OF IT IS THE AMEK OF IT IS THE AMERIOF IT IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I CAN IMAGINE TOLERATING NOW. DANA, THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS STILL IN A JOB AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE FBI WHO WAS A SIGNATORY ON ALL OF THIS. STILL HAS A JOB AND STILL SEEMS TO BE PART OF THE APPARATUS.>>VERSUS STILL THERE.>>THAT’S RIGHT. HOW CAN THIS BE?>>TALK ABOUT ROB ROSENSTEIN, HE SAID I REALLY DID NOT MEAN THE APPLICATION. I HAVE BEEN AT THAT DEPARTMENT, I HAVE SEEN DOCUMENTS IS BIG. IF I’M GETTING A DOCUMENT DESPITE AGAINST OUR PRESIDENT WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME ROD ROSENSTEIN SIGNED IT, I’M READING EVERY WORD AT LEAST ONCE. AND HE SAID I WAS BRIEFED ON IT, TALK ABOUT ARROGANCE. LOU: ARROGANCE AND BY THE WAY, NO SHYNESS ABOUT ANDREW MCCABE IN THAT RESPECT. AN INDICATION IS HE IS GOING TO BE CHARGED, THAT DOES NOT SEEM CONSONANT WITH THE WAIVER WITH EVERYONE ELSE WHO SIGNED THE DOCUMENT.>>HERE IS THE PROBLEM. THE ISSUE IS, WILL WE HAVE ONE STANDARD OF JUSTICE OR TWO. THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE CONCEPT, THE TWO STANDARDS OF JUSTICE SEEM TO BE WINNING CLEARLY IN AMERICA. THE DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS OVER WHO GETS PROSECUTED AND DOES NOT WILL BE A BELLWETHER OF HOW WE ARE DOING ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE FISA WARRANT PROCESS WAS CREATED BECAUSE THE SUBJECT MATTER WAS SO IMPORTANT, THEY DID NOT LIKE WHAT RICHARD NIXON DID SO THEY CREATED A WHOLE LEGAL PROCESS WITH THE COURTS. IT HAS BEEN THE BELLWETHER OF THE WAY WE CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND OTHERS. THIS IS AN SPYING MATTERS. IF YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH WHAT COMEY AND MCCABE AND BE AS RELAXED AS ROSENSTEIN WAS IN NOT READING THE ACTUAL AFFIDAVIT, THEN THE PROCESS SHOULD BE PUT TO A HALT. IT SHOULD STOP, THEY SHOULD NOT USE IT ANYMORE AND THEY OUGHT TO GO BACK TO HAVING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS ABOUT WHO GETS SPIED ON.>>BY THE OSOS AND EXPLANATION OF WHAT THEY DID ABOUT ALL THIS.>>WHAT DID THE FISA COURT DO WHEN IT FOUND ALL THIS OUT.>>AND WENT TO THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT.>>THAT WAS MY NEXT LINE.

What to expect from the IG report on the Russia probe


♪ ♪>>Martha: TONIGHT TWO STORIES LOOKING INTO THE SO CALLED DEEP STATE ARE ABOUT TO GET THEIR MOMENT IN THE SPOTLIGHT. REPORTS SUGGEST THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE VERY CLOSE TO MAKING A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL CHARGE FORMER FBI DIRECT DEPUTY DIRECTOR ANDREW MCCABE WHO WAS FIRED FOR MISLEADING INVESTIGATORS. MEANWHILE THE DOJ INSPECTOR REPORT INTO POSSIBLE FOREIGN SURVEILLANCE ABUSES OUTSIDE OF THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION IS ALSO EXPECTED ANY DAY NOW. AND COULD UNLEASH TELLING AND POTENTIALLY DETAILS ABOUT THE OBAMA JUSTICE DEPARTMENT’S EFFORTS TO SPY ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. BYRON YORK HAS COVERED THE USE EXTENSIVELY. IS THE CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE “WASHINGTON EXAMINER” AND FEATURED ON THE LATEST EPISODE OF “WISE GUYS” ON FOX NATION. WHEN WILL WE LEARN ABOUT AND MCCABE’S FACE, AND YOU HAVE A HUNCH ABOUT WHEN IT WILL GO?>>I COULD HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY, LOOK AT, WE KNOW THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SAID THAT ANDREW MCCABE LACKED CANDOR, THAT’S WHAT THEY CALL IT AT THE FBI.>>Martha: ABOUT WHAT?>>HE WAS BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT LEAKING INFORMATION AND HAD INFORMATION ABOUT THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN, WHICH HE HAD THE PERMISSION TO DO. BUT DID NOT LEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HE HAD DONE. THE INSPECTOR GENERAL POINTED THAT OUT. THE QUESTION IS WILL HE BE CHARGED WITH LYING? OR WAS SOME OTHER THING. WE DO NOT KNOW. WHAT THE REASON THAT EVERYBODY GOT EXCITED ABOUT THIS. IS THAT WE FOUND OUT THAT HIS LAWYERS HAVE TALKED TO VERY HIGH-RANKING JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS AND THE IDEA BEING THAT THEY HAD EARLIER, MUST HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE THE LOWER RANKING PROSECUTORS NOT TO PURSUE THE CASE. HAVING FAILED THAT, THEY ARE NOW GOING HIGHER UP THE LADDER. SO THAT SEEMS TO INDICATE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS HEADING TOWARDS AN INDICTMENT, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW RIGHT NOW.>>Martha: HE SAID THAT HE WAS CONFUSED AND THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON AT THE TIME AS WE ALL REMEMBER AND THAT HE NEVER INTENTIONALLY MISLED ANYONE.>>RIGHT. AND HE MAY PREVAIL WITH THAT CASE. THERE IS ALSO WORD THAT LISA PAGE WHO WAS WITH PETER STRZOK AND WAS A KEY PLAYER IN ALL OF THIS SAID THAT HE DID NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO LIVE. THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL, BUT THESE HIGH-LEVEL MEETINGS INDICATE THAT SOMETHING IS GOING ON. AND WE ALSO ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPENING THAT WE DON’T KNOW. THERE IS ANOTHER INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, GOING ON, WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING DONE.>>Martha: SO BILL BARR GOT EVERYONE’S ATTENTION WHEN HE SAID THERE WAS SPYING. SO HE CAME ON THE SCENE AFTER JEFF SESSIONS LEFT. AND HE HAD A VERY DIFFERENT TAKE WHEN HE WAS SHOWN SOME OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE INVESTIGATION. AND HE SAID THAT INDEED, THERE WAS SPYING. SO THE HOROWITZ REPORT IS LOOKING INTO THAT. ANY ALSO HAVE THE DURUM INVESTIGATION WHICH COULD GO EVEN FURTHER. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?>>THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS, MICHAEL HORWITZ WHO IS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CAN ONLY LOOK INTO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. THE FBI AND, BUT HE CANNOT LOOK AT THE CIA. SO THE BIG REASON THAT BILL BARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL COMMISSIONED THIS JOHN DURUM INVESTIGATION IS THAT HE COULD LOOK BEYOND THE CONFINES OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHAT THE ENTIRE YEAR U.S. GOVERNMENT WAS DOING IN THE LEAD UP TO THE 2016 ELECTION. NOW THE SPYING THING THAT CAUSED SO MUCH TROUBLE WHEN BILL BARR SAID IT, WE REALLY KNOW A NUMBER OF THINGS. WE KNOW THAT THE FBI GOT A WARRANT TO WIRETAP CARTER PAGE. WE KNOW THAT THEY USED AN INFORMANT NAMED STEFAN HELPER, AND WE KNOW THAT THEY SENT AN UNDERCOVER AGENT, A WOMAN WHO WENT BY THE ALIAS AS HER TURK TO LONDON.>>Martha: AND WAS SPYING –>>THERE YOU GO, TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION UNDER GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BILL BARR SAID WHEN HE LEARNED THESE THINGS WAS OKAY, WAS THAT IT? WAS THERE MORE?>>Martha: THOSE ARE THE TWO STORY LINES THAT WE SEE, AND WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON. IF THERE WAS A CONSERVATIVE EFFORT THAT THERE WOULD BE OTHER LIENS THAT WILL BE DROPPED IN THE WATER TO SEE IF ANYBODY ENABLES.>>HE MADE A VERY PERSUASIVE POINT WHICH IS A LOOK AT, IF THE FBI SAW THIS AS AN ALL-OUT RUSSIAN ATTACK ON AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, YOU ARE TELLING ME THIS IS ALL THAT WE DID. IT SEEMS LIKE AN ANEMIC EFFORT, THEY MUST HAVE DONE MORE. BUT WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO FIND OUT, AND THIS MICHAEL HOROWITZ REPORT, AND THIS COULD BE A WHILE, ALL WE HEAR IS AFTER LABOR DAY, WHICH IS SOON, BUT WE

AG Barr making major changes to immigration courts


MILLION CASES. JOINING ME NOW, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT. ART, GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. HAVE WE FINALLY FOUND A WAY AROUND SOME OF THESE ASYLUM RULES THAT HAVE BEEN SUCH A LURE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?>>WELL, I MEAN, THIS CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING HUGE THAT IS GOING TO HELP, AND I WILL ADD, NOT ONLY IS IT SOMETHING THAT HELPS STOP THESE ASYLUM CLAIMS, BUT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT DETAINING THESE INDIVIDUALS LONGER, BUT WHAT IT IS GOING TO DO, IT IS GOING TO GIVE IMMIGRATION OFFICERS THE TIME TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE AND DETERMINE WHO IS AN ACTUAL GUARDIAN OF THESE MINORS AND WHO IS NOT. DAVID: GREAT POINT.>>YOU HAVE GOT TO REMEMBER, THE CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION IS BRINGING THESE KIDS KNOWING HEY WITHIN 20 DAYS, WE WILL BE RELEASED, SO WHAT’S HAPPENING IS THEY ARE USING THESE MINORS AS PAWNS FOR THEIR CRIMINAL GAME. WE DON’T KNOW IF SOME OF THESE KIDS ARE ACTUALLY RELATED TO THESE INDIVIDUALS. THIS GIVES IMMIGRATION THE EXTRA TIME SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF THESE ARE LEGITIMATE NOT ONLY LEGITIMATE ASYLUM CLAIMS, BUT WE NEED TO SEE IF THEY ARE LEGITIMATELY FAMILY MEMBERS, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYBODY WOULD AGAINST IT. TO BE AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE THIS MEANS YOU REALLY DON’T CARE ABOUT THESE CHILDREN. DAVID: IT IS EXTRAORDINARY THAT THE LEFT HAS KIDNAPPED THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMPASSION. THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY’RE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE COMPASSION, YET, I THINK IT IS VERY UNCOMPASSIONATE — IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF COMPASSION TO ALLOW CHILDREN TO BE PUT IN THE HAND OF SMUGGLERS, SMUGGLERS WHO ARE NOT RELATED TO THEM.>>DEFINITELY, IT HAS CREATED A MAGNET TO ALLOW THESE INDIVIDUALS, ONE, TO BREAK OUR LAWS, TWO, TO MAKE FALSE CLAIMS TO ASYLUM AND DEFINITELY IT’S PUT KIDS AT RISK. THANK GOD THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, THAT ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AND REALISTICALLY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE CREDIT THEY DESERVE, BUT NOT ONLY ARE THEY STOPPING FALSE ASYLUM, THEY ARE SAVING A LOT OF KIDS’ LIVES AND THAT’S IMPORTANT. DAVID: LET’S TALK ABOUT HOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS. WE HAVE A TERRIFIC ATTORNEY GENERAL RIGHT NOW WHO IS OPERATING ON SO MANY FRONTS, BUT ONE OF THOSE FRONTS IS IMMIGRATION. HE WANTS TO APPOINT TOUGHER IMMIGRATION JUDGES. APPARENTLY THERE HAVE BEEN JUDGES THAT HAVE BEEN PERFECTLY OKAY WITH A MILLION CASES BACKLOGGED IN THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER JUDGES WHO ARE MUCH TOUGHER, WANT TO SEE THAT CLEARED OUT. WILL THAT HELP?>>I MEAN, I DON’T SEE IT AS THEM APPOINTING TOUGHER JUDGES. I SEE IT AS THEY ARE APPOINTING JUDGES THAT WILL BE EFFICIENT AND GET THE JOB DONE, AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE AMOUNT OF BACKLOGGED CASES IS JUST RIDICULOUS. AND I THINK THE CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS HAVE EXPLOITED THAT, AND THEY’VE USED THAT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE JUST CAUGHT AND LEASED IN THE COUNTRY — RELEASED IN THE COUNTRY. DAVID: OF COURSE THEY HAVE. BACK HOME AND WHAT INNOCENT U.S. CITIZENS ARE GOING THROUGH AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THIS CRISIS, NOT ONLY THOSE ON THE BORDER, BUT ONCE THE ILLEGALS SPREAD OUT AND DO NOT ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE CORRIDORS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO AND SETTLE ELSEWHERE. A LOT OF THEM ARE CRIMINALS. NEW DATA FROM THE DOJ ON FEDERAL ARREST OVER ILLEGALS, OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD, I WAS UNAWARE THAT 64% OF ALL FEDERAL ARRESTS WERE OF NON-U.S. CITIZENS. 64% WERE NON-U.S. CITIZENS.>>AND WHAT’S RIDICULOUS IS YOU HEAR INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE UP FOR THAT, AND THEY SAY WELL, WE HAVE CRIMINALS IN THE UNITED STATES. I KNOW WE HAVE CRIMINALS HERE. BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN WE NEED TO START IMPORTING ANYMORE. WE’RE NOT AGAINST IMMIGRATION. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. WE’RE VERY PRO-IMMIGRATION. BUT WE’RE PRO-LEGAL IMMIGRATION. THERE’S A RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS, AND THERE’S A WRONG WAY TO DO THINGS. DAVID: YOU DON’T WANT CRIMINALS COMING IN, AND YOU WANT PEOPLE COMING IN WHO ARE GOING TO BE WORKING HARD AND WHO WE NEED. THAT’S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE’VE GOT TO GET TO A MERIT-BASED SYSTEM, A SYSTEM WHERE WE’RE ABLE TO DECIDE WHO COMES IN AND WE DO HAVE JOBS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WITH PARTICULAR SKILLS, TRY TO MATCH THOSE PEOPLE WITH THOSE JOB NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.>>THE SIMPLEST WAY I HAVE EXPLAINED IT TO PEOPLE, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE AISLE, OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE AISLE, WHEN YOU ARE AT HOME, YOU WANT INDIVIDUALS TO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHO YOU ALLOW IN YOUR HOME, AND WHO YOU DON’T, YOU WANT INDIVIDUALS BREAKING THROUGH YOUR WINDOWS OR COMING IN UNANNOUNCED. THAT’S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. WE SHOULD HAVE IT AT OUR NATION’S BORDERS. DAVID: THAT’S A GOOD ANALYSIS. THE CBP WASN’T APPARENTLY COLLECTING DNA SAMPLES FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THAT WAS A PROBLEM WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS WHO, WHO IS RELATED TO WHOM, WHETHER A PERSON HAS A BACKGROUND OR JUST GETTING THE DNA SAMPLES SO YOU CAN TRACK THAT PERSON IF THEY DO GET INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. IS THAT CHANGING NOW?>>THAT SHOULD BE CHANGING, AND HONESTLY, A LOT OF THESE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, I SOUND LIKE I’M CHEERLEADING, BUT THE HONEST TO GOODNESS TRUTH IS, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT’S CARING ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT’S CARING ABOUT AMERICAN CITIZENS AND MOVING FORWARD, I HOPE IT CONTINUES, BUT WE’RE VERY GRATEFUL RIGHT NOW. WE’RE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CAN’T TAKE A STEP BACK, AND AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, ILLEGAL IS NOT A RACE. STOP MAKING IT ABOUT RACE. DAVID: ABSOLUTELY.>>WE ALL NEED TO START BEHAVING LIKE AMERICANS. DAVID: ABSOLUTELY. WE’RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE PROGRAM, BUT TO PUT THIS IN A RACIAL CONTEXT IS ABSURD.

Trish Regan: Russia probe is the biggest scandal in modern US political history


♪ ♪♪ TRISH: THE GLOVES ARE OFF, INDEED. NOT ONLY HAS ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR HIRED A SO-CALLED PIT BULL TO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS — JOHN DURHAM OUT OF COUNTY WHO HAS A HISTORY OF INVESTIGATING OFFICIALS — HE IS WORKING WITH THE NATION’S TOP NATIONAL SECURITY LEADERS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS WHOLE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION. NOW, LET’S GET TO MR. DURHAM FIRST. THE U.S. ATTORNEY WILL REVIEW, MR. DURHAM WILL REVIEW, AND I QUOTE, ALL INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION ACTIVITIES. ALL INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE TRUMP 2016 CAMPAIGN INCLUDING HOW THE FBI GOT AWAY WITH USING OPPOSITION RESEARCH BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE DNC AND THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN TO SECURE A WARRANT TO SPY ON AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WHO WORKS FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. YES, ABOUT TIME, RIGHT? WE PENT TWO YEARS LISTENING TO — SPENT TWO YEARS LISTENING TO THE MEDIA AND FORMER INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS TELL US THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS AN AGENT OF RUSSIA, AND NOW WE KNOW THERE WAS NO COLLUSION, HE WAS NO AGENT OF RUSSIA. SO WHY WOULD THE FBI’S TOP LAWYER ARE, JAMES BAKER, NOT QUESTION THE USE OF THE DOSSIER? REMEMBER THAT DOSSIER THAT THEY HAD, THAT THEY THEN TURN OVER TO THE JUDGE IN ORDER TO GET THAT FISA WARRANT. I MEAN, JAMES BAKER VOLUNTEERED THAT HE HIMSELF NEVER AUTHENTICATED IT, ANYTHING. TELLING LAWMAKERS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT HE DIDN’T READ THE WOODS FILE, WHICH PROVIDES THE UNDERLYING DOCUMENTATION. MEANWHILE, AS I REPORTED THE ORE NIGHT, IT WAS ACTUALLY HIGHLY UNUSUAL FOR HIM TO BE INVOLVED IN A CASE LIKE THIS, SOMETHING HE DID TELL THE CONGRESS. AND MET ME QUOTE HERE, HE SAID AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN I WAS AT THE FBI, MOST OF THE FISA — ALMOST ALL THE FISA APPLICATIONS — DID NOT GO THROUGH ME. THEN HE EXPLAINED ONE OF THE REASONS IT DID GO THROUGH HIM WAS BECAUSE THIS ONE WAS SO SENSITIVE. IF IT WAS SUCH A SENSITIVE CASE, AS HE SAYS, THEN, MR. BAKER, WHY WOULDN’T YOU TRIPLE CHECK YOUR SOURCES? OR, HEY, MAYBE JUST CHECK ‘EM, RIGHT? BEFORE FILING A FISA WARRANT? AND THEN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, I’M NOT DONE HERE, WHY NOT INFORM THE FISA COURT JUDGE THAT YOUR APPLICATION IS BASED UPON OPPOSITION RESEARCH? WHY LEAVE IT IN A LITTLE FOOTNOTE WHEN IT’S KIND OF IMPORTANT? IT’S LIKE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I SAY THIS AS A JOURNALIST. DO YOU THINK I JUST REPEAT HEARSAY AND REGURGITATE IT TO YOU AS THOUGH IT’S NEWS? NO. I CHECK MY SOURCES. AND WHEN I’VE GOT SOMETHING THAT’S AS BIG AS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU TRIPLE CHECK ‘EM. BECAUSE THAT’S THE HONORABLE THING TO DO. SOMEONE WITH INTEGRITY DOES THAT. BUT IN THE FBI WENT AND USED A BUNCH OF HEARSAY AND PRESENTED IT TO A JUDGE AS THOUGH IT WAS FBI FACT. AND THEN THEY HAD A LITTLE, LITTLE FOOTNOTE TO SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, THIS IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE OPPOSITION. HERE’S BAKER’S EXPLANATION ON THAT ONE, WATCH.>>WHY WAS IT IN A FOOTNOTE RATHER THAN WRITTEN IN BIG, RED MAGIC MARKER, IN BLOCK LETTERS ACROSS EVERY PAGE OF THE THING?>>NOBODY’S GOING TO MISS A PAGE-LONG FOOTNOTE IN REGULAR TYPE. [LAUGHTER] OKAY? TRISH: OKAY. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME. YOU TREAT HEARSAY AND TABLOID OPPOSITION RESEARCH AS LEGITIMATE FBI RESEARCH. YOU NEVER IF HEADLINE IT AS ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE JUDGE. YOU EXPECT THE JUDGE TO GO AND HOOK AT ALL THE FOOTNOTES. WELL — LOOK AT A ALL THE FOOTNOTES. WELL, LISTEN TO BAKE’S’ INEXPLICABLE REASON FOR JUST FOOTNOTING THAT SOURCE OF THE DOSSIER TO THE JUDGE. HERE WE GO.>>YOU DON’T WANT TO PUT INTO A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS GRATUITOUS INFORMATION ABOUT U.S. PERSONS. YOU WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE IF IF — MINIMIZE IT IT TO SOME EXTENT. TRISH: I MEAN, HOW ABOUT JUST NOT USING THE GRATUITOUS MATERIAL THAT YOU NEVER SOURCED IN THE FIRST PLACES? I MEAN, THIS IS THE FBI. THIS IS OUR FBI. THIS SHOULD MAKE EVERYONE LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTER ANGRY. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE PEOPLE IN BIG GOVERNMENT THINKING THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THEY CAN SPY ON INNOCENT AMERICANS OR PEOPLE THEY CONSIDER A THREAT FROM AN OPPOSING CAMPAIGN, THEN I’LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE HAVE BIG, BIG PROBLEMS. THEYTHERE WERE ALL KINDS OF EASL THEYTHERE WERE ALL KINDS OF EASY DISPROVABLE THINGS IN THAT DOSSIER. FOR ONE, THE DOSSIER CLAIMED WITH SUCH SPECIFICITY THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS IN PRAGUE IN AUGUST 2016 HOLDING SECRET MEETINGS WITH THE KREMLIN. BUT MICHAEL COHEN HAD NEVER EVEN TRAVELED TO PRAGUE. ASK YOU KNOW WHAT? — AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT WAS PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT. HEY, FBI, CHECK HIS PASSPORT RECORDS, RIGHT? MUELLER FIGURED IT OUT. IT’S IN VOLUME II, PAGE 139. AND THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE THINGS THROUGHOUT, MORE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE DOSSIER THAT COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY DISPROVEN. BUT THE POINT IS IF, AS I SUSPECT, THE FBI WAS OUT THERE RELYING ON OPPOSITION RESEARCH FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES, THEN THIS IS THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN MODERN AMERICAN POLITICAL HISTORY. PERHAPS THE BIGGEST SCANDAL EVER POLITICALLY IN THIS COUNTRY. JOINING ME RIGHT NOW, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO GEORGE W. BUSH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, MANY KARL ROVE. KARL, GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>GOOD TO SEE YOU. TRISH: TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. DURHAM. WHAT DO YOU KNOW?>>WELL, CAREER — APOLITICAL. A CAREER, U.S. AND DEPUTY U.S. ATTORNEY, NOW U.S. ATTORNEY FOR CONNECTICUT. LITERALLY JOINED THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE IN CONNECTICUT IN THE LATE 1970s AFTER GRADUATING FROM LAW SCHOOL. HE HAS A REPUTATION AS A DETERMINED, FOCUSED, UNFLAPPABLE PROSECUTOR WHO’S WILLING TO TAKE ON THE POWERFUL AND HIS EMPLOYERS. HE WAS THE GUY WHO TOOK ON THE FBI SENIOR AGENT WHO WAS BASICALLY DEFENDING AND HIDING WHITEY BULGER’S NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES, USING HIM AS A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT, BUT HIDING SOME OF HIS EXTREME AND VIOLENT DEEDS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT. HE’S THE GUY WHO TOOK ON THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT, JOHN ROLAND, AND PROSECUTED HIM AND SENT HIM TO JAIL. HE WAS THE GUY THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL MUKASEY E TURNED TO TO JUDGE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TAPES OF CIA INTERROGATORS, AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ASKED HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AT ENHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES AND TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THEY VIOLATED U.S. LAW. IN EACH AND EVERY INSTANCE THE, HE DID WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT, AND I’M SURE IN THIS INSTANCE IT’S ONE TO TO HAVE REASONS WHY BARR CHOSE HIM. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE THESE ANSWERS, AND THIS IS A GUY WHO’S GOING TO GIVE IT TO ‘EM, AND IT’S GOING TO BE STRAIGHT ARROW, CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY, LET’S LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. TRISH: I MEAN, YOU HEARD WHAT I HAD TO SAY, AND I STILL MAINTAIN — I’M SORT OF STUN THED BY THIS, BECAUSE — STUNNED BY THIS, BECAUSE THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD EVER RELY ON SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD NOT SOURCED YOURSELF, I MEAN, IN JOURNALISM WE DON’T DO THAT, BUT OUR FBI MIGHT DO THAT? THAT JUST SEEMS TOTALLY BONKERS TO ME, KARL.>>YEAH. MICHAEL HOROWITZ, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, IS CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION ALONG SIMILAR LINES. HOWEVER, HIS AUTHORITY LIMITED. HE CAN ONLY INTERROGATE OR INTERVIEW OR REQUEST DOCUMENTS FROM CURRENT EMPLOYEES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. NOW THAT WE’VE NOT A U.S. ATTORNEY, HE CAN TURN TO PEOPLE LIKE McCABE AND STRZOK AND COMEY AND BAKER AND OTHERS WHO HAVE LEFT THE GOVERNMENT SERVICE, AND HE CAN COMPEL THEM TO GIVE TESTIMONY AND TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS. SO WITH THIS SORT OF — IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT IT AS A ONE-TWO PUNCH BETWEEN MICHAEL HOROWITZ WHO’S GOT AN IMPECCABLE REPUTATION FOR BEING FAIR AND CALLING IT LIKE IT IS, AND — BUT IS LIMITED ON THE AUTHORITY THAT HE HAS. AND WE NOW HAVE DURHAM WHO’S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THE WORK THAT HOROWITZ HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR BETTER THAN A YEAR AND TO EXTEND IT BY TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT HOROWITZ DOESN’T HAVE ACCESS TO. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO STEP BACK EVEN FURTHER, WE’VE NOW HAD FOUR PEOPLE — MUELLER, JOHN HUBER IN UTAH WHO’S LOOKING AT SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS, U.S. ATTORNEY. AGAIN, APOLITICAL. DURHAM AND HOROWITZ, ALL FOUR OF THEM ARE STRAIGHT ARROWS, AND WE KNOW FROM MUELLER’S PERFORMANCE, HERE’S A GUY WHO CLEARLY DEMOLISHED THE IDEA ABOUT CONSPIRACY AND COLLUSION, AND WHO, WHEN IT CAME TO THE ISSUE OF OBSTRUCTION, BASICALLY SAID THERE’S NOT A PROSECUTABLE OFFENSE HERE, IN MY OPINION, FOR THE GOVERNMENT — TRISH: THERE ARE SOME DEMOCRATS WHO MIGHT DISPUTE YOU ON THAT INTERPRETATION, BY THE WAY.>>WELL, I KNOW THEY WOULD. BUT IF THAT’S OUT OF DISAPPOINTMENT BY BOB MUELLER AND NOW WE’VE GOT THREE OTHER STRAIGHT ARROWS, AND I THINK AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL HAVE GREATER CONFIDENCE THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED. TRISH: THINK OF WHAT IT’S DOING TO OUR COUNTRY IN THE MEANTIME. AND LOOK, SIR, I MEAN, I’M AFRAID WE’RE GOING TO LEARN SOME ANSWERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY DISHEARTENING –>>WELL, WE NEED — TRISH: I DON’T KNOW. WE’LL SEE –>>WE NEED TO KNOW. LIKE YOU, I HAVE A DEEP SUSPICION OF — I MEAN, HOW IS IT THAT THEY HID FROM THE, THAT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY WITH A LAW FIRM TO HIDE THE FACT THEY WERE HIRING FUSION GPS, AND THEY IN TURN HIRE A RETIRED BRITISH SECRET SERVICE AGENT WHO PICKS UP THE PHONE AND CALLS HIS PAL, FORMER KGB AND FSB AGENTS IN MOSCOW AND SAYS YOU GOT ANY DIRT ON DONALD TRUMP? IF THAT IS AN OPEN INVITATION TO THE SECRET SERVICE TO PLAY AROUND IN THE CAMPAIGN — AND FOR HOW THIS CAME TO BE AND WHY THEY CAME TO RELY UPON IT AND WHY PEOPLE DID THE THINGS THAT THEY DID, WE NEED SOMEBODY WITH AN IMPARTIAL AND STELLAR REPUTATION TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN BE CONFIDENT THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. TRISH: YOU’RE SPOT ON.>>IF I WAS A FISA JUDGE, I WOULD BE FURIOUS THAT THIS WAS NOT HEADLINED TO ME THAT THIS IS THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN OPPOSITION RESEARCH EFFORT FUNDED BY — WE DON’T EVEN KNOW TODAY HOW MUCH THEY SPENT 12, I THINK IT IS, MILLION DOLLARS WITH A LAW FIRM THAT WAS, OBVIOUSLY, FOR SOME LEGAL SERVICES. BUT HOW MUCH WENT TO FUSION GPS? AND THEN HOW FORTHCOMING HAS FUSION GPS BEEN ABOUT ITS ROLE? GLENN SIMPSON HAS NOT BEEN FORTHCOMING AT ALL ABOUT IT. AND WE NEED, AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WE NEED TO BE CONFIDENT THAT THE AGENCIES OF OUR GOVERNMENT ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED IN THIS WHAT APPEARS TO BE DEEPLY POLITICAL AND PERSONALLY DRIVEN FASHION. TRISH: HEY. IF I’M VLADIMIR PUTIN AND I’VE GOT MY FORMER KGB BUDDIES OUT THERE TALKING TO CHRISTOPHER STEELE, THIS IS PERFECT –>>OH, YEAH. TRISH: THIS IS RIPE FOR THAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITY AND TO EXPOSE OURSELF SO STUPIDLY TO THAT PERHAPS FOR POLITICAL REASONS, IT IS A SHAME.>>YEAH. AND REMEMBER — TRISH: YEAH?>>REMEMBER, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE, THE DOSSIER IS DUMPED INTO THE AMERICAN POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AS IT COMES TOWN THE CLOSING MONTHS — DOWN THE CLOSING MONTHS. AND WE HAVE FUSION GPS AND CHRISTOPHER STEELE TRYING DESPERATELY TO SELL THIS TO ANYBODY, ANY REPORTER THAT THEY CAN GET TO BITE ON IT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION, THIS WAS SO SOLICITED AND RECEIVED BY AGENTS TO OF THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. AND I DON’T SEE NADLER AND SCHIFF AND THE RES OF IN THE CROWD BEING CONCERNED DEEPLY ABOUT THAT. THEY’RE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING THAT ROBERT MUELLER CAME BACK AND SAID THERE’S NO EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY OR COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIANS AT ALL. AND YET WE’VE GOT SCHIFF AND EVERYBODY ELSE SPUN UP ABOUT WHAT ROBERT MUELLER’S ALREADY KILLED AND NOT SPUN UP AT ALL ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW TO BE A FACT WHICH IS THE DNC OPENLY INVITED THE RUSSIANS TO PLAY IN OUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN BY PROVIDING INFORMATION WHICH IS A LOT OF IT JUST CLEARLY TRASH. AND NONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN VERIFIED. TRISH: NO, LOOK, KARL, THIS IS THE WHY WE’RE THE IN SUCH A SAD STATE RIGHT NOW, THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING POLITICS AHEAD OF COUNTRY HERE. THIS IS ONE. WHERE YOU OUGHT TO CARE. I DON’T CARE HOW MUCH YOU HATE DONALD TRUMP, ANYBODY THAT IS AMERICAN SHOULD CARE IF THE FBI

Lesko on IG’s FISA abuse report: how was Obama, Clinton involved?


MAHER. ELIZABETH: REPUBLICAN SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SPOKE TO SEAN HANNITY OF FOX NEWS LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE UPCOMING REPORT JUSTICE PROBE.>>I THINK IT WILL BE REALLY DAMNING AND UGLY. PEOPLE DID SOME BAD THINGS THAT ARE DANGEROUS FOR THE COUNTRY. YOU WILL ONLY FIND IT ON FOX. YOU MAY FIND IS A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAPER. HERE IS WHAT I PREDICT, 10% OF COVERAGE OF THE MUELLER REPORT GOT, THAT IS A SHAME, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. HERE IS THE QUESTION, IT IS NOT WHAT DID OBAMA KNOW AND WHEN HE KNEW IT, WHO TOLD HIM AND WHAT DID HE DO ONCE HE WAS TOLD? WHAT IS YOUR REACTION?>>LINDSEY GRAHAM, HE IS SPOT ON. HE IS REALLY STRONG PROPONENT FOR GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. I AM WITH HIM. HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN NADLER IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO INVESTIGATE THIS. SHE TOO BUSY TRY — HE IS TOO BUSY TRYING TO UNDER MINE PRESIDENT TRUMP. ELIZABETH: RUSSIAN MEDDLING WRONG. THIS IS ABOUT USING U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY SOURCES AND ASSETS TO SPY ON A OPPOSITION CAMPAIGN. THE PRESIDENT SAID LAST YEAR, HE WOULD ORDER THE RELEASE OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. WHAT DOCUMENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? WE HEAR AN OCTOBER 2016 FBI E-MAIL CHAIN, THAT MAY INDICATE THAT STEELE WAS A WEAK, NOT REALLY CREDIBLE SOURCE.>>I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALMOST ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS UNCLASSIFIED. SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, CAN READ WHAT HAPPENED. AND HOW WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA INVOLVED? HOW WERE THE CLINTONS INVOLVED? AFTER TWO YEARS AFTER FOING AFTER DONALD TRUMP. — GOING AFTER DONALD TRUMP, WE NOW GET THE REST WAS STORY, A LOT OF THINGS SEEM SUSPICIOUS TO ME. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S REPORT AND AG BARR’S REPORT.>>WE’RE HEARING THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL HAD TO GO BACK AND REINTERVIEW CERTAIN PLAYERS BECAUSE THEY WERE CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER, YOUR TAKE ON THAT?>>I WAS ABLE TO TALK IN A GROUP SETTING WITH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, HE DID NOT GIVE US ANY INSIDE INFORMATION. WE ARE HEARING IT WILL PROBABLY BE IN SEPTEMBER THAT HE WILL RELEASE HIS REPORT. I THINK IT IS GOOD THAT IF HE HAD TO TAKE EXTRA TIME AND GO BACK. WE JUST WANT A THOROUGH REPORT, TO BE ACCURATE SO AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, I TOO TOO THINK THAT — DO THINK THAT LINDSEY GRAHAM IS CORRECT. THE MEDIA WILL NOT COVER IT, THEY ONLY WANT TO COVER THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. I AM GLAD YOU ARE COVERING IT. ELIZABETH: IT IS ABOUT HOW WEAK

AG Barr defends handling of Mueller report in Senate hearing


NEIL? NEIL: ALL RIGHT, HILLARY, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL TOM DUPREE WHAT HE MAKES OF THIS. ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.>>THANK YOU, NEIL. NEIL: THIS IS COMING FROM BILL BARR, I WAS PARAPHRASING TAKING NOTES EARLIER WHILE HE WAS SPEAKING, HE, REFERRING TO MUELLER, COULDN’T DECIDE ABOUT OBSTRUCTION SO ESSENTIALLY BILL BARR DID BY SAYING THERE WASN’T ENOUGH THERE TO GO AFTER THE PRESIDENT AND NOT ENOUGH TO EXONERATE THE PRESIDENT. WHAT DID GET WRONG? IT SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY WHAT THE REPORT KIND OF CONCLUDED?>>THAT’S RIGHT. I THINK IN THAT RESPECT IT IS VERY HARD TO FIND FAULT IN WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL INITIALLY REPORTED AS FAR AS MUELLER’S CONCLUSIONS. SEEMS LIKE AREA OF DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN BARR AND THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WANTED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO PROVIDE MORE UNDERLYING CONTEXT WHY MUELLER REACHED THE DECISIONS THAT HE DID. BARR TESTIFIED TODAY THAT HIS FOCUS WAS ON DELIVERING THE BOTTOM LINE VERDICT OF THE MUELLER REPORT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TO GET THE NEWS OUT OF BOTTOM LINE CONCLUSION IN AN FISH ENFASHION. IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT BOB MUELLER WANT AD LITTLE MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION WHAT LED MUELLER TO REACH THE VERDICTS THAT HE DID. NEIL: ALL RIGHT. THAT WOULD HAVE NECESSITATED DELAY GETTING THE REPORT OUT TO PROVIDE MORE OF THAT CONTEXT. MAYBE MUELLER WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH THAT? WHAT IS YOUR SENSE?>>THAT IS THE THING. IF WE TURN THE CLOCK BACK A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN EVERYONE WAS EAGER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MUELLER CONCLUDED. IT WAS OVER A WEEKEND. WE WERE WATCHING ON TV, WHAT MUELLER FOUND, WHAT HE DIDN’T FIND. OUT OF THAT CONTEXT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BASICALLY SPENT THE ENTIRE WEEKEND IN HIS OFFICE TO GO THROUGH THE REPORT TO, PROVIDE A SUCCINCT BOTTOM LINE DESCRIPTION WHAT HE FOUND. ATTORNEY GENERAL KNEW IN A FEW DAYS OR WEEKS THE REPORT AS A WHOLE WOULD BECOME PUBLIC. THERE WOULD NOT REALLY BEEN A MOTIVE ON PART OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO LIE OR DISSEMBLE KNOWING THE WHOLE THING WOULD BECOME A PUBLIC DOCUMENT IN MATTER OF DAYS. NEIL: DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, WHAT MUELLER SAID WAS THE PROBLEM THE WAY THE PRESS PORTRAYED THOSE FINDINGS WITHOUT THAT CONTEXT AND THAT BUGGED HIM?>>I SUSPECT IN FACT WHAT WAS BOTHERING BOB MUELLER. WE KNOW AS SOON AS THE REPORT CAME OUT AND BARR SUMMARIZED REPORT, THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESS BASICALLY SAYING TOTAL VINDICATION ON THE COLLUSION PART. MUELLER DIDN’T REACH A CONCLUSION ON THE OBSTRUCTION PART BUT BARR REACHED THE CONCLUSION THERE IS NO OBSTRUCTION. I THINK WHAT MUELLER WANT AD LITTLE MORE NUANCE INTO WHY MUELLER DIDN’T FIND OBSTRUCTION. AND I THINK FROM MUELLER’S PERSPECTIVE BARR WAS SUGGESTING THAT MUELLER WAS BASICALLY AGNOSTIC ON THIS ISSUE WHEN AS WE KNOW FROM THE REPORT MUELLER OFFERED SOME REASONS AS TO HIS ULTIMATE DECISION NOT TO REACH A CONCLUSION ON THAT PIECE OF THE INVESTIGATION. NEIL: TALKING ABOUT AGNOSTIC, YOU’RE THE EXPERT, I READ A PROMPTER SO I THINK I QUALIFY, ANYWAY MUELLER COULDN’T DECIDE ON THAT ISSUE, RIGHT? SO THAT SEEMED TO SURPRISE BARR AND BY EXTENSION THE OUTGOING DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROD ROSENSTEIN THAT HE HADN’T REACHED A FORMAL CONCLUSION, WHEN I GUESS BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN THOUGHT HE WOULD. SO THEY TOOK THE LIBERTY TO TIE, PUT A BOW ON IT, EVEN WHEN THEY DIDN’T DEFINITELY CONCLUDE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHICH WAS THE GIST OF MUELLER’S FINDING?>>RIGHT. I THINK FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S PERSPECTIVE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS TASKED WITH MAKING THESE DECISIONS WHETHER TO PROSECUTE OR NOT TO PROSECUTE. NEIL: WHY DID HE DO IT THAT WAY? THAT IS A DUMB QUESTION BUT MUELLER HAD TO KNOW THE WHOLE WORLD WAS WATCHING FOR SOME SORT OF A DEFINITIVE STATEMENT HERE AND HE DIDN’T PROVIDE IT. LEAVING I HAD OPEN-ENDED, TO YOUR POINT, HE WOULD LEAVE IT IN CONGRESS’ HANDS TO SEE WHAT THEY DO, TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE TURNING FROM YOUR DUTY HERE?>>WELL, HERE’S THE THING. I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WERE ANIMATING BOB MUELLER. I THINK NUMBER ONE WAS THE POINT YOU CAN’T INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT UNDER LONGSTANDING JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GUIDANCE. THAT IS THE — NEIL: IS THAT TRUE.>>ABSOLUTELY. IT GOES BACK DECADES. WELL-SETTLED DOJ GUIDANCE, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RESPECTS THAT DECISION. THAT WAS A PIECE OF IT. I SUSPECT THERE WAS ALSO A PIECE WHETHER BOB MUELLER HIMSELF THOUGHT THE EVIDENCE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO PROVE OBSTRUCTION OR NOT. HERE I THINK IT’S A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS. HE CERTAINLY NEVER CAME OUT AND SAID BUT FOR THAT OPINION I WOULD HAVE CHARGED OBSTRUCTION. ON THE OTHER HAND HE WOULD HAVE THAT SENTENCE, IF WE COULD HAVE EXONERATED THE PRESIDENT WE WOULD HAVE. THAT IS UNUSUAL SENTENCE FOR SOMEONE LIKE BOB MUELLER TO PUT IN THE REPORT. I SUSPECT WE’LL LEARN MORE WHY HE INCLUDED THAT SENTENCE IN THE REPORT IF AND WHEN BOB MUELLER TESTIFIES BEFORE CONGRESS. NEIL: YOU’RE A VERY GOOD LAWYER AS WELL. DO YOU SEE HAVING READ THE REPORT YOURSELF, GETTING A SENSE THESE INSTANCES THAT DEMOCRATS WERE SEIZING ON TODAY THE PRESIDENT ADVISING HIS COUNSEL TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO GET MUELLER FIRED. THE PRESIDENT DENIES THAT BY THE WAY. THAT SUCH ACTIONS, THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHERS, ARE ACTS OF OBSTRUCTION?>>YEAH. I GUESS MY TAKE ON THAT, NEIL IS SEVERAL POINTS. NUMBER ONE, I DID NOT LIKE A LOT OF WHAT I READ IN THE REPORT. I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. AT THE SAME TIME — NEIL: WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YOU DIDN’T LIKE THE PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR?>>RIGHT, RIGHT. I DIDN’T LIKE SEEING WHAT HE WAS DOING BEHIND THE SCENES. AT THE SAME TIME I RESPECT THE DECISION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHETHER THERE WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE IN CRIMINAL MOTIVE WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS DOING. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL LOOKED AT THAT HE REACHED A CONCLUSION THERE WASN’T SUFFICIENT MOTIVE. REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU THINK THE CONDUCT, WHETHER THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN’T HAVE DONE IT, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THERE WAS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY HERE THAT IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ULTIMATELY CONCLUDED. NEIL: I READ THE REPORT WITH NOT NEARLY EXPERTISE YOU HAVE, I READ THE INITIAL CONCLUSIONS AND BULLET POINTS BARR MADE, I DON’T THINK HE WAS OFF ON THOSE BULLETS POINTS THAT WAS MY READ OF IT. I HAVE NO AXE TO GRIND WITH EITHER SIDE HERE. YOUR THOUGHTS.>>I THINK BARR GAVE AN ACCURATE SUMMARY OF WHAT BOB MUELLER FOUND. TO BE SURE HE COULD HAVE WRITTEN 20 PAGE DOCUMENT BUT HE DIDN’T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT, RIGHT? HE HAD TO GET THAT OUT FAST. NEIL: DAMNED IF HE DID, DAMNED IF HE DIDN’T, RIGHT?>>BARR BASICALLY WANTED TO GET MUELLER’S BOTTOM LINE CONCLUSION IN THE HANDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS SOON AS HE COULD. THAT IS WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO. THAT IS WHAT HE DID. COULD HE HAVE SAID MORE? HE DIDN’T HAVE TO BECAUSE HE KNEW THE REPORT WOULD BE COMING OUT IN MATTER OF DAYS.

Robert Ray: Trump is right, it’s ‘game over’


THING, NOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS? FORMER WHITEWATER INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ROBERT RAY ON ALL OF THAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK, ROBERT?>>NOT PRETTY MUCH. SEEMS TO VINDICATE WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID WOULD BE IN THE REPORT. YOU ARE NOT HEARING ANYTHING FROM DEMOCRATS NOW, WAIT A MINUTE, WE WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE REPORT. THEY’RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET THE WHOLE REPORT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 6-E MATERIAL EVERYBODY EXCEEDS CAN’T BE RELEASED UNLESS A COURT ORDER TO DO SO. DEMOCRATS WILL BE FORCED INTO POSITION GENERATING MOMENTUM TOWARD IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING IF THEY WANT TO SEE ANYMORE OF THE MUELLER REPORT WHICH I DON’T THINK THEY’RE PREPARED TO DO. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT, IT’S GAME OVER. IT’S OVER. OVER MEANS OVER. DOESN’T MEAN IT WILL CONTINUE ON. NEIL: HEARINGS WILL GO ON.>>THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY CAN TRY TO HAVE MUELLER AS A WITNESS OF THE AS PRESIDENT SAID THEY CAN SUBPOENA REST OF 13 ANGRY DEMOCRATS UNTIL THEY FILL OUT THE MUELLER STAFF UNTIL THEY FINE SOMEBODY THAT — NEIL: SEIZING ON NUANCES ON PART OF THE REPORT WHERE MUELLER AND HIS PEOPLE COULD NOT –>>PROSECUTORS DEAL IN NUANCES. IS THAT A NEWS FLASH? NEIL: RIGHT I HEAR BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO SAY THAT NO CRIMINAL CONDUCT OCCURRED BUT AGAIN, HAD THEY HAD EVEN A SENSE OF THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE PUT IT IN THERE.>>I DEAL IN THE REAL WORLD. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? THAT MEANS THAT THEY CAN’T EXCLUDE THE HYPOTHESIS THAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT HAVE OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE, REALLY? I MEAN THE POINT IS, AS THE JUDGE I CLERKED FOR LONG AGO TOLD ME IT IS NOT ENOUGH THAT GOD KNOWS OKAY? PROSECUTORS DEAL IN EVIDENCE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT EITHER THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO BRING A CASE OR THEY DON’T. THIS IS THE DETERMINATION NOW AS THE RESULT OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION AND ATTORNEY GENERAL’S FINDINGS. WE NOW HAVE THE ANSWER. THE ANSWER IS, IT’S OVER WITH REGARD TO CRIMINAL CONDUCT INVOLVING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. NEIL: SO –>>PERIOD. NEIL: OPEN-ENDED THING YOU HEAR FROM NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS SAYING YOU KNOW ON THIS OBSTRUCTION THING IT IS NOT A SLAM-DUNK. THEY WILL KEEP PURSUING THAT. ALMOST INVITE OF MUELLER IN THE REPORT TO SAY THAT IS UP TO CONGRESS TO GO BEYOND THIS. IS IT?>>NO ONE IS TRYING TO CARVE THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AWAY FROM ITS CONSTITUTIONAL PREROGATIVE. THEY HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE, WHETHER THEY WILL BEAT A DEAD HORSE OR NOT. WE NOW HAVE DESPITE WHAT SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER SAYS, WE NOW HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE REPORT AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL DECIDE. BUT, PRELIMINARY INDICATIONS, INITIAL REVIEW OF THE REPORT SUGGESTS QUITE CLEARLY THEY WERE EXHAUSTIVE IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. THEY LOOKED AT THE PRESIDENT’S CONDUCT. THEY MADE AN EVALUATION OF HIS INTENT. THEY DID SO IN CONTEXT. NOW BOTH BOB MUELLER AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE SPOKEN. AND AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED THAT IS OVER. WHAT HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DECIDES TO DO IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM, HAVE AT IT BUT — NEIL: YOU CAN’T, BASE YOUR REPORT ON CONJECTURE, WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENED. ONE THING GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION WITHIN THE REPORT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I’M QUOTING ACCURATELY HERE IS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW FAR THIS PROBE WAS GOING IN THE EARLY DAYS, GOING BACK TO JUNE OF 2017, WHEN HE DIRECTED THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL DON MCGAHN CALL ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL TO SAY BOB MUELLER SHOULD BE OUSTED BECAUSE HE HAD CONFLICTS INTEREST. MCGAHN DECIDED HE WOULD RATHER RESIGN THAN WHAT WOULD BE ANOTHER “SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE” AND AND ATTORNEY GENERAL FINISHED HIS REPORT.>>THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID NO ACT WAS TAKEN. IN COSMIC WORLD WHAT MIGHT BE OBSTRUCTIVE CONDUCT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT HAVE HAVE INTENDED IT IF HE DIDN’T CARRY IT OUT. NEIL: THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING? NO. MIGHT IT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED? A LOT OF THINGS ARE CONSIDERED.>>WOULD WE EXPECTPY IN THE DEPEND ON ADVISE OF HIS LAWYERS, PERSONAL COUNSEL, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. NEIL: THIS WHOLE THING WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND ALL THAT –>>GIVEN HIS CONDUCT IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE. NEIL: YOU DEALT WITH THAT WITH BILL CLINTON.>>ABSOLUTELY. NEIL: THEY DON’T LIKE GUYS LIKE YOU BREATHING UP THEIR YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY ARE FRUSTRATED.>>I GO BACK TO WHAT JIM COMEY SAID EARLY ON IN THE ADMINISTRATION. THE FBI SNUCK PEOPLE INTO THE WHITE HOUSE TO INTERVIEW MICHAEL FLYNN. IF I WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT AND I WAS PRESIDENT I WOULD BE NONE TOO PLEASED. IF I WAS ANGERED BY THAT, TAKE ACTION TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING THAT CONSTITUTES OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE? REALLY? THAT IS STANDARD OF OBSTRUCTION CONDUCT? I DON’T THINK SO. I THINK THAT IS PRACTICAL, REASONABLE ANALYSIS OF THE FACTS AND THE LAW AND — NEIL: WHAT HAPPENS NOW? A LOT OF DEMOCRATS SAY WE WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT. WANT PEOPLE COME UP TO THE HILL.>>I GUESS WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE IS GOING TO BE, THERE IS GOING TO BE, THAT’S RIGHT WORD. THERE IS GOING TO BE TEAM TO RELITIGATE. THE QUESTION WHETHER AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL STAND FOR THIS. NEIL: WILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STAND FOR WHAT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WANT TO SEE, GO BACK AND HOW THE INVESTIGATION STARTED OR EVERYONE SEES IT?>>YOUR LATTER POINT HAS TO BE CAREFULLY DONE. I’M NOT SUGGESTING OR CALLING AS SOME HAVE FOR SEPARATE SPECIAL COUNSEL TELEVISION INTO GET INTO BUT I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AFTER ISSUANCE OF IG MICHAEL HOROWITZ’S REPORT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, TO FIND OUT THE ORIGINS WHAT BECAME THE RUSSIA COLLUSION INVESTIGATION. I’M NOT SAYING WE BELABOR THE ISSUE. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, MOSTLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT JUST THE PRESIDENT SAID, UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TO A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND IF THINGS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, THEY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. NEIL: I’M SURPRISED HOW LITTLE WAS REDACTED IN THE END.>>WELL THERE YOU GO. MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL, RIGHT? SO AT THE END OF THE DAY CONGRESS IS GOING TO SEE EVERYTHING. NEIL: THAT BARR, WHATEVER YOU MAKE OF HIM, WISDOM HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE BEFOREHAND, HOW HE CHARACTERIZED THIS REPORT, I HAVEN’T READ THE WHOLE THING SEEMS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE REPORT’S FINDINGS.>>THAT IS THE JUDGMENT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE. I’M ENTIRELY THE CONFIDENT THAT THE PUBLIC WILL COME TO REASONABLE CONCLUSION IT WAS AN ACCURATE RESCITATION, VALUATION OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION AND AND ATTORNEY GENERAL DID IN FACT WHAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO. WHICH IS TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS HE COULD BE, CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW. NEIL: HIS DUTIES.>>NOBODY SAID THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN EASY JOB BUT HE IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IT. AND YOU KNOW, ALL THIS OTHER NONSENSE THAT YOU’VE HEARD ABOUT, OH, THE REAL COLLUSION HERE IS THE COLLUSION BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND HIS HAND-PICKED ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. SEEMS LIKE WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS DOING HIS JOB. NEIL: EVERYTHING IS GOING BY HOW THIS SHOULD BE DONE. YOU CAN ARGUE WHETHER HE SHOULD DO THE PRESSER, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID HE WAS DOING PRESIDENT’S BIDDING, CHARACTERIZATION SOURCE OF ALL ANGER FROM THE LEFT SEEMS UNJUSTIFIED.>>I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MYSELF PERSONALLY THE CONTEXT UNDER WHICH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MADE THE DECISION ABOUT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. I THINK THAT A QUESTION SEPARATE FROM THE TEXT OF THE REPORT. I THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW AND I BELIEVE THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAME FORWARD FIRST BEFORE THE REPORT WAS ISSUED TO EXPLAIN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHY HE MADE THAT DETERMINATION. THEN THAT — NEIL: WHETHER IT CONFLICTED WITH MUELLER’S EXPLANATION?>>CORRECT. NEIL: SO FAR APPEARS NOT TO BE BUT WE DON’T KNOW.>>IN CERTAIN INSTANCES ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID THIS MORNING ON LAW AND THE FACTS HE HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW, HE AND DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL THAN MUELLER WITH REGARD — NEIL: ROD ROSENSTEIN ALSO HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW OF THIS.>>RIGHT. AFTER THEY CONSULTED WITH THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL. ISN’T THAT WHAT, ISN’T THAT WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS SUPPOSED TO DO? YES. NEIL: YOU LAWYERS CAN NEVER AGREE ON ANYTHING. YOU WOULD ARGUE ON HAM SANDWICH.>>WE CAN AGREE ON THE BOTTOM LINE. ULTIMATELY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S DETERMINATION AS A MATTER OF FACT, LAW, ULTIMATELY POLICY TO RESOLVE THE END OF THE INVESTIGATION AS FAR AS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS CONCERNED. WHAT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DECIDE TO DO, THAT IS NOW UP TO THEM. THEY WILL BE EVALUATED ON THAT CONDUCT JUST AS MUCH AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL EVALUATED ON HOW HE CONCLUDED THIS INVESTIGATION. NEIL: WHICH IS MAYBE WHY, SORRY, NANCY PELOSI A COUPLE DAYS AGO WAS SAYING WE SHOULD BE STICKING DEMOCRATS TO THE KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES. ALL THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STUFF, MOVE ON.>>IF THEY DON’T MOVE ON THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO PERCEIVE THIS

Barr declines to testify before Dem-led House panel


JAMIE: THANK YOU TRISH. SORRY DEMOCRAT YOU BLEW IT. THE PARTISAN NONSENSE ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT IS JUST NOT WORKING. ATTORNEY HILLIARD ENTERED WILLIAM BARR HAS DECIDED TO SKIP AND CAN YOU BLAME HIM. WILL DEMOCRATS SUBPOENA THE NATION’S TOP FORMAT QUESTION WHAT I THINK THEY WILL. THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THEY CLAIM TO WANT ANSWERS AS TO WHY BARR CHOSE NOT TO CHARGE THE PRESIDENT WITH OBSTRUCTION AND THE AG ASK AND THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION MANY OF US HAVE BEEN WONDERING. WATCH.>>HOW DO WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE EVIDENCE IS NOW THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS AND ACCUSED OF BEING TREASON OF A RUSSIAN AGENT IN THE EVIDENCE NOW IS THAT WAS WITHOUT A BASIS IN TWO YEARS OF THIS MINISTRATION HAVE BEEN DOMINATED BY THE ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE NOW BEEN PROVEN FALSE. AND, TO LISTEN TO SOME OF THE RHETORIC YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE MUELLER REPORT HAD DONE THE OPPOSITE. JAMIE: DEMOCRATS RESPONDED WITH A BUNCH OF PREDICTABLE GRANDSTANDING AS THEY ALWAYS DO DURING THESE THINGS. LET’S START WITH MAZIE HIRONO. MAISIE, GIRL.>>MR. BAR, THE MAKER PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT, FROM RUDY GIULIANI AND THE PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICE, THE REPUTATION IN THE OFFICE.>>SHE CALLED THE PRESIDENT A GRIFTER IN THE LYRE. AND OVER TO SMEAR THE AG AND THEN MINNESOTA SENATOR WHO BROUGHT UP MICHAEL COHEN FOR SOME REASON. AND THEN GOT SHUT DOWN.>>THE REPORT FOUND THAT MICHAEL COHEN’S TESTIMONY TO THE HOUSE THAT THE PRESIDENT REPEATEDLY IMPLIED THE COHEN FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES. DO YOU CONSIDER THAT EVIDENCE TO BE AN ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE A WITNESS TO CHANGE TESTIMONY QUESTIONING.>>NO. I DON’T THINK THAT COULD PASS MUSTER. THOSE PUBLIC STATEMENTS HE WAS MAKING. JAMIE: HE DID HAVE SENATORS IN HIS CORNER ALSO PREDICTABLY INCLUDING SOUTH CAROLINA JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN LINDSEY GRAHAM.>>DO YOU EXPECT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT THE BOTTOM-LINE CONCLUSIONS OF THE MUELLER REPORT?>>NO.>>DO YOU KNOW BUMBLER QUESTIONING.>>DO YOU TRUST HIM.>>YES.>>THIRTY YEARS ROUGHLY.>>TO THINKING OF THE TIME HE NEEDED?>>YES.>>DO THINK HE HAD THE MONEY.>>YES.>>TOGETHER RESOURCES?>>YES.>>DO YOU THINK HE DID A THOROUGH JOB QUESTIONING.>>YES. JAMIE: DID THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAKE HIS CASE AND IS HE RIGHT TO SKIP MARS TESTIMONY ? JOINING ME TONIGHT AMERICAN FIRST ACTION-PACKED SENIOR ADVISOR JOHN SPICER IS BACK.>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. JAMIE: KAMALA HARRIS GAVE HIM A TOUGH TIME AND HE DID STUMBLE THERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS ODD WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE MUELLER REPORT BEING HIS BABY. WAS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC FOR YOU?>>NO, NOT REALLY. I THINK HE WAS CALM, COOL AND COLLECTED. HE REALLY WALKED THROUGH THE LEGAL REACTION TO THIS IF YOU WILL. HE BROKE DOWN IN EACH QUESTION WHY THE RHETORIC DIDN’T MAKE SENSE FROM A LEGAL BASIS. THAT IS WHAT THIS WAS. WE LOST PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT. ESPECIAL COUNSEL WAS APPOINTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO LOOK INTO THIS MATTER. THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL REPORT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DURING THE TENURE TO DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT THIS REPORT WAS INTENDED FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHEN A BIG STEP FURTHER BY RELEASING IT TO CONGRESS IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WHAT HE DID TODAY WAS EXPLAINED THE PROCESS, EXPLAIN THE CONCLUSION IN A THINK THE OTHER THING THAT IS INTERESTING AND YOU ALLUDED TO THIS, WE HAVE LOST FOCUS IN NUMBER OF THE DEMOCRATS WERE CONTESTED THE UNDERLYING FACTS. TO HEAR THE DEMOCRATS — THEY KEPT SAYING COLLISION IS NOT EVEN A LEGAL TERM, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT IT. I KEPT SAYING, I HEARD THAT FOR ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS NONSTOP AND NOW SUDDENLY THE DEMOCRATS HAVE PIVOTED TO ITS NEVER BEEN ABOUT COLLUSION. I THINK THEY HAVE LOST FOCUS ON WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY FIGHTING FOR NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROCESS. WHY DID YOU WRITE A FOUR PAGE MEMO THE WAY YOU DID, WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THIS REACTION. JAMIE: LET ME ASK ABOUT THAT. THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SUMMARY. I GUESS REALLY IS A SUMMARY DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, THIS IS SUCH A PRESSING MATTER BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE CASE INTO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HAS GONE ON IN THE FACT THAT IT ENTERED AROUND THE PRESIDENT AND TOOK SO MUCH ENERGY FROM HIS ADMINISTRATION, THEREFORE HE FELT OBLIGATED TO PUT SOMETHING OUT, IN HINDSIGHT, HE SHOULDN’T HAVE RELEASED THAT FOUR-PAGE DOCUMENT TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS INTO THE PUBLIC?>>I THINK YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY EXPECTED TO GET A REDACTED VERSION FROM THE SPECIAL COUNSEL THAT THEY WOULD’VE BEEN ABLE TO TURN AROUND MUCH QUICKER. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID TODAY, MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD RELEASE A VERDICT SUMMARY RIGHT AFTER TRIAL AND THEN THE TRANSCRIPT OF THAT TRIAL COMES OUT LATER. HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN CONGRESS UNDERSTOOD THE BOTTOM LINE. AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO WHAT I SAID A MOMENT AGO, THE BOTTOM LINE WAS WAS IN COLLUSION WITH THE RUSSIANS OR ANY OTHER ENTITY THAT SOUGHT TO UNDERMINE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SUMMARY, WHATEVER WE’RE CALLING IT NOW. CAME OUT AND MADE IT CLEAR THAT NO THERE WASN’T. THAT WAS WHAT THE MAIN THRUST OF THE COUNCIL INVESTIGATION WAS ABOUT. HE IS A FURTHER POINT, THIS IS WHY THIS IS A SILLY CONVERSATION THAT THE DEMOCRATS WERE HAVING TODAY. WITHIN DAYS AFTER THE SUMMARY, THE ENTIRE 400 PLUS PAGE REPORT CAME OUT. MEANING IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE SUMMARY, NOW YOU HAVE IT OUT THERE IN A SEARCHABLE WAY THE YOU CAN LOOK UP, READ IT YOURSELF. JAMIE: I THINK THEIR ISSUE IS WITH SPECIAL COUNSEL AND ROBERT MUELLER’S OFFICE IN THE INVESTIGATION. AND CLEARLY THE ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT WASN’T CHARGED WITH ANYTHING AND THEY ARE MAKING THE CASE THAT THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL — BASICALLY INFORMED HER THAT THEY CANNOT CHARGE A SITTING PRESIDENT AND IF THAT IS REALLY THE CASE IN MUELLER WAS SO INVESTED IN THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD BROKEN THE LAW, AND HE COULD APPROACH THE ISSUE BY CHARGING HIM AND FORCING IT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM SO WE COULD FINALLY HAVE A DEFINITIVE LEGAL ANSWER ON THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. IF THE PRESIDENT IS SO POWERFUL THAT HE CANNOT BE CHARGED AND HE CAN ESSENTIALLY FIRE ANYONE THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT’S ABOVE THE PAYGRADE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN THE PRESIDENCY.>>THE OTHER THING, THE SPECIAL COUNSEL COULD HAVE DECIDED, HE COULD’VE SAID, I DON’T BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT COULD BE CHARGED, I DO BELIEVE IT’S IN VIOLATION OF ONE OF THE TEN INCIDENCES I’D LIKE THAT. HE DID NOT DO THAT. JAMIE: HE COULD’VE GIVEN A CLEAR BOTTOM LINE BUT INSTEAD, I THINK INTENTIONALLY HE CREATED THIS THAT’S OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION BY BOTH SIDES TO BENEFIT EACH SIDE POLITICALLY. AND I THINK IN A SENSE GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND RESOURCES IN THE MONEY, ISAAC IS COWARDLY.>>BUT HERE IS THE OTHER THING, THE DEMOCRATS FOR ALL OF THEIR STOCK AND MUELLER. HE SAID THIS MAN IS ABOVE APPROACH, HIGHEST INTEGRITY — GRAY, FINE. MY POINT, WHEN HE DIDN’T REACH THE CONCLUSION THAT THEY ASSUMED THAT HE WOULD, NOW THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT MUELLER IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM COULD’VE DONE THIS. THINK OF THIS, EVERY SINGLE THING ABOUT THIS REPORT IN ITS HANDLING IN THE WAY IT’S BEEN HANDLED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS LEAKED OUT IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM. INCLUDING THE LETTER, DISSATISFACTION. JAMIE: SPECIAL COUNCILS THAT WAS NOT LEAKED OUT AND BOTH SIDES WERE SURPRISED THAT ROBERT MUELLER WAS RUNNING THAT KIND OF SHIFT. –>>MY POINT IS THIS IS TO SAY THAT IF THERE WAS SOME OFFENSE AMONG THE TEAM THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD VIOLATED THE LAW AND ANY WAY IN TERMS OF ABSTRACTION. THAT WOULD BE GETTING OUT. HIS TEAM WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOT OUT AND IT HAPPENED. THAT IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY PUT STOCK IN THE FACT THAT THERE WAS THIS UNDERLYING COLLUSION OR ILLEGALITY OF SOME SORT. JAMIE: WE ARE HAVE THESE TERMS THAT ARE MEANINGLESS, CONSPIRACY, EXONERATION, THINGS THAT REALLY DON’T MEAN ANYTHING