Why Hydrogen Cars Will Be Tesla’s Biggest Threat


If you ask anyone what the
future of cars looks like, they’ll probably tell you it’s electric and that Tesla is at the
forefront of the movement. But what if I told you
that there’s another option that could be just as good or even better than
battery-electric vehicles? What if you could power cars with the most abundant
resource in the universe with water as the only byproduct? And they’re more likely to
disrupt the auto industry than battery-powered cars, like Teslas. Hydrogen fuel cells have been a technology of great promise as well as great skepticism. Elon Musk himself often mocks
hydrogen fuel cell technology, going so far as to call them “fool cells” and “mind-bogglingly stupid.” But major automakers still see promise. First, let’s define the terms. Battery electric vehicles, or BEVs, are the electric vehicles that most of us are familiar with today, like Teslas. They use a battery to store electricity and power the electric motor. A hydrogen fuel cell
electric vehicle, or FCEV, like Toyota’s Mirai,
combines hydrogen with oxygen to produce electricity, which then powers the electric
motor that drives the car. Now, when it comes to why people don’t buy battery-electric vehicles like Teslas, there are three main reasons: They take too long to recharge, they have a limited range before they need to be recharged, and they cost a lot more than your comparable gas-powered car. So, how do hydrogen cars
stack up in these areas? When it comes to recharging, hydrogen cars have battery-electrics beat. At a supercharging
station, a Tesla can charge anywhere from 30% to 50% in 15 minutes, but you’ll be at the charging
station for over an hour for a full charge. Fuel-cell vehicles don’t
require charging at all. The hydrogen tank is refilled
at a hydrogen station in less than five minutes, just like your typical gas station today. That’s because FCEVs don’t store electricity like a battery; they create it on demand
to power the motor. When it comes to range,
hydrogen-powered cars seem to come out on top again. Between the three fuel-cell
vehicles on the road today, they have a range of
312, 360, and 380 miles. Most electric vehicles have a range under 250 miles. While some Tesla models offer a range of more than 300 miles, they often cost more than the
average car buyer can afford. Range and refueling times are so important that 78% of automotive executives believe fuel-cell vehicles
will be the breakthrough for electric mobility. But that’s not to say fuel-cell vehicles don’t have challenges of their own. FCEVs need more competitive pricing. The suggested retail price
for the fuel-cell vehicles available today is around $60,000, which is about $20,000 more than an entry-level BEV. That’s because production
size of these vehicles is incredibly low. With
only a few thousand or few hundred being made every year, it’s nearly impossible for
prices to be competitive. But that could soon be changing. Automakers are looking to
increase the production of their FCEVs. Toyota in particular has increased its production capabilities
tenfold to eventually bring down the cost of its Mirai. The real challenge for hydrogen fuel cells is the lack of infrastructure. In the US, the majority
of hydrogen stations are in California, with just over 40 available to fuel-cell owners. For FCEVs to become the breakthrough that automotive executives believe in, a vast network for
hydrogen stations is vital. And automakers are slowly
working to make it happen. Jackie Birdsall: We do get to
work together with the other automakers, as well as with,
you know, here in California, the state of California and
the industrial gas suppliers, or whomever the energy provider is, to be able to site hydrogen
stations where it makes the most sense for all of
the automakers’ vehicles. And so that’s to try to make sure that any investment that we make is best leveraged by all of the consumers from all of the automakers
that currently offer fuel-cell vehicles. Narrator: If and when
fuel-cell vehicles scale, Tesla will have a tough
challenge on their hands. They’ll have to increase
range while simultaneously decreasing recharging time and price. But Teslas, and any
battery-electric vehicles, are limited because of the
law of diminishing returns. Increasing the range
requires a larger battery. A larger battery will add
more weight to the car. After a certain point, the added weight no longer yields additional range. With FCEVs, it’s just a numbers game. More hydrogen stations equal more cars, and more cars equal more
affordable fuel-cell vehicles. Tesla has a lock on the
zero-emissions market in America, controlling a whopping
60% of the EV market. But that’s still only 2% of the entire US car market. And those numbers decrease
when we talk about the global car market. The only thing really holding
FCEVs back is infrastructure, and as hydrogen stations
become more abundant, Tesla could lose the majority
of the zero-emissions market. For a technology that’s
“mind-bogglingly stupid,” it has serious potential to
become a real competition for the very same customers
that Tesla’s aiming for. So, Elon might want to take notice.

100 Replies to “Why Hydrogen Cars Will Be Tesla’s Biggest Threat

  1. Hold the Mic 🙉. These company don't want to invest in their own technology by putting up fuelling station, but want you to buy their cars 💩.

    Fuel cell = More expensive.
    Fuel cell = No fuel station.
    Fuel cell = Can't fuel at home.
    Fuel cell = Go back to paying gas.

    Electric car will win this race and It will one year from now you will have a electric car with the same kWh battery getting 400+ to 500+ of range with million mile cycles and complete recycle loop along with able to charge at home and renewable.

    Thanks but no thanks!!

  2. So where are all the hydrogen fueling centers infrastructure at? Price? Who's backing up hyrdogen now and in the next 10 years? This video is absurd

  3. I would prefer listenning to a multi-billionaire genius that disturbed the automobile market starting from scratch and succeding at everything he touch, than an 25 guy living on a 4.5 apartment sharing fake news true mains-streams media.

  4. Ok, HFCV's has it's problems. But just think about EV's when everybody is going to want/use one. The whole electrical network has to be renewed in order to get enough electricity to everyone. (let alone the expanding use of other electrical usage such as induction cooking and heating in houses) Also not everyone will be able to have charge capability at home, so just general parking spaces also have to be equipt with charge stations.

    And then there is the problem with the resources (and pollution to mine them) needed to make batteries, the HFCV needs just a small battery in comparison to a EV's. I don't have exact numbers, but if you could build let's say 5 to 10 HFCV's to 1 Tesla then that problem is also greatly reduced.
    Other issue, especially in the future, is storage of renewable energy when there is more produced then needed. Hydrogen storage might be not so effecient with maybe a energy loss of 40%, but that is still 60% free energy that can be stored. Doing this with batteries is not an practical option.

  5. Hydrogen pipe dream is nothing more than a Big Oil and Big Auto delay tactic to avoid trillions of dollars worth of stranded assets…..worthless oil in the ground. Just another FUD piece Biz Insider pumps out everyday…….Go get em Elon!!!!! You're my hero.

  6. Should pay respect to honor Stanley Meyer to brought HHO water car to reality in the late 1990s and proved that it works and to make your own HHO fuel!!!

  7. The argument becomes: solar and wind create relatively easy energy, which the ev can plug into vs the hydro which will require more processing steps for a 25% increase in range. Most countries are increasingly urbanizing so range is not as big of a deal once you reach the ability to go 200 miles on a charge. The problem to solve would be those who live in apartments. Its an infrastructure economics equation: is it less expensive to convert existing fuel stations, or install chargers?

  8. Had to check the video date to make sure I wasn't watching something from 2015. LOL.
    So much outdated info in this video. What's their next video? Apple coming out with a phablet?

  9. 98% of my daily driving is around 60-70 miles per day. Meaning that for 98% of my driving needs I charge every other night at home while I sleep. Zero time lost. With a hydrogen fuel cell car I would have to look for a hydrogen station weekly and waste time there. Driving / fueling / driving back = 20min. Every week. For the handful of 300+ miles trips I do annually .., I’ll spend 45min more on charging. That’s maybe 4-5 hours per year. Compare that to saving 20 minutes every week …

  10. this video really hurts BI's credibility. Hydrogen is mainly derived from fossil fuels through a highly inefficient process. It's main value is in its energy density, but that also makes it highly volatile. Your car will literally be able to explode like in the movies. There is currently no economically viable process to create large amounts of hydrogen without also wasting a lot of energy. Hydrogen cars are absolute nonsense, and so is this video.

  11. Here is a video for those interested in a hydrogen vehicle (made in Germany)… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH-mhZLuGRk

  12. I like how they forgot to mention the extremely inefficient method of how we get hydrogen.Even though it's abundant it's extraction is completely coal based it actually harms the environment more than coal produced electricity

  13. Oh my, imagine getting into an accident with a hydrogen tank. I'm sorry but I really don't want to be driving around on top of an explosive canister that's worse than a gasoline tank. Also I love how you assume that the only way to get range is to add more batteries. Why don't electric cars have lead acid batteries? Lighter and more energy dense batteries are being developed along with faster charging. Remember when it took hours to charge a phone?

  14. Hydrogen been around for a good while and never really taken off. There are problems with hydrogen too. The lack of refueling station is a real big problem. More expensive fuel, takes energy to make hydrogen. Nope no threat to Tesla now or and anytime soon.

  15. Even if hydrogen car works out and becomes one more competition for Tesla It would be just one more.
    Tesla is getting stronger every year and is making faster, cooler, smarter and better self-driving cars than any other company.
    Tesla cars will be conected to the fastest internet at all times all around the globe provide by starlink stallites, must likely for free, and free acces to boring company tunnels.

  16. You know the main problem with BEV's?
    Also infrastructure. I don't think anyone really cares if their car only goes 150 miles if it can be recharged another 150 miles in 10 minutes.

  17. What a dush bag… I should have unsubscribe this channel… All of the lies he just said does not add up…!!
    Saying such as if a tesla fan…!!
    Anyway, he may not awary about the fact huge automakers also moving in EV tech. Automakers like toyota understood their mistake and had announced to make EV. His content is already backdated…!!
    Did not really expected such content from business Insider…!!

  18. What an ignorant video, there are many well respected videos/articles out there that are backed by facts point out the negatives in fuel cell vehicles. There are many many reasons why hydrogen fueled cars currently dont make sense, nor will it for many years to come. Also a lack of infrastructure is not the only reason Fuel cells are being sold, it takes a lot of energy to to create hydrogen, store it and convert the energy from the fuel cell to the motor. Also another thing that is not widely known, once a hydrogen station is used, it is not immediately ready to use again like gasoline or electricity.

  19. This person is delusional, even Neil degrasse Tyson said that Elon musk is the most important person of our times I’m pretty sure electric ⚡️ is the right way to go

  20. The promise major automakers and the oil industry see, is that hydrogen is mostly created through petroleum products so they're essentially keeping the same business model going.

  21. What a logic Disadvantage of tesla has low range the in same video show tesla has more than 300mils and after some time tesla is expensive also model 3 is very less expensive. Mind blown😜

  22. Fastest Hydrogen Fuel Car: 0-60 in 7.9 seconds (Honda Clarity)
    Fastest Electric Car: 0-60 in 2.4 seconds (Tesla Model S)

    Yeah, I think I'll stick with electric.

  23. Let's see.
    – Hydrogen is hard to seal against. Leaks will develop.
    -Infrastructure is more expensive to develop, install, maintain and more dangerous
    -Inefficient, electricity is used to evolve hydrogen from water to be converted back into water in the vehicle vs electricity being stored in batteries.
    -You never get the power and range with hydrogen that electric will.
    -charging your car at home will become more and more common. You cant generate hydrogen safely at home.

    Now to watch the video and see if I'm wrong or if it feels like the news has been paid to air this

  24. "the majority of automotive executives believe hydrogen fuel cell vehicles will be the catalyst for the shift from gas-powered cars" Oh really? Which ones? Why didn't you have an interview with one of these automotive executives or at least name one? Probably because the share price of the car company would plummet if an actual executive said someone that f**king stupid…

    The only automotive executive you quoted was Elon Musk who pretty much hit the nail on the head.

  25. You didn’t mention the fact that almost all hydrogen is produced using fossil fuels. It’s not sustainable at this point. They need to figure out a more environmentally friendly way to produce hydrogen!

  26. FakeNews at his BEST! Honda stops Hydrogen Cars, Toyota begins to produce much more BEV. VW and BMW laught about Hydrogen Fools.

  27. I like the chart on weight range. Flattens out around 400miles.
    Roadster 2020 :hold my beer…
    Tesla semi: detached 80klb trailer – checkout my range now!

    Derp

  28. This is such a newbie video.
    1. Hydrogen cars costs much more to fuel.
    2. You don't need to go to a supercharger (95-99% of the times) (EV station) most of the time, since you can charge it at home.
    3. You don't really need more than 300 miles. In Europe even 200 miles are quite enough.
    4. Since the density of superchargers are constantly growing the need for high range EVs will shrink further. I.e. if you know that wherever you go you will be able to charge your car, then you will not care so much about range.
    5. Battery prices are expected to go lower in the future(much more research behind it). I think in case of fuel cells, you can not really go under a certain price point. (I have not researched this one properly, its more like a feeling, sry).
    6. Hydrogen is more dangerous(although not unusably), than batteries.

  29. There actually is an argument that in some very populated areas, like perhaps much of Japan, the FCEV could end up being more competitive once you scale up to where you are replacing > half the cars. At that scale, the additional infrastructure costs may be less than you would need for that much additional electric capacity, and the faster refueling times really matter, allowing a single station to serve many more customers. I think the BEV will likely always have the upper hand for passenger cars in most of the U.S., though. In most of the U.S., you've got cheap electricity, and plenty of room to build the additional charging stations that would be needed.

  30. Ayo I ain’t no rocket scientist ok, but it took quiet a long time for them to came up with a reliable electric sport car. A hydrogen technology will need nearly 10 years. Which mean they are already behind in a game.

  31. This isn’t nearly as in depth as it needs to be. It doesn’t go over total cost of ownership. It doesn’t go over the inefficiencies in each vehicle type. You didn’t go over how the hydrogen is made (spoiler alert it’s made with fossil fuels). So many details left out.

  32. 1.28: “electric cars cost a lot more than gasoline powered cars” … I don’t think so.. the way I see it they are cheaper.

  33. Hey all you Tesla fans, Business Insider is great! Lets create some more FUD and down pressure so we can all afford to buy these shares before they get to $100,000.00.

  34. Tesla has 1 million mile batteries in near future and what if tesla says we r going to make some hydrogen EVs
    Tesla has the real potential here theres a lot of things

  35. EV fanatics like to make fun of Hydrogen fuelled cars for its low efficiency.. But fail to see how much harm mining of toxic materials needed to make batteries, bring harm to the environment.. Also, years from now, we'll start seeing spent car battery packs in the landfill that are too expensive to recycle.

  36. Lol at the fanboys. Act green all you want, time will prove EVs were only alternative at best, never successors to comustion engines.

  37. Lol. Pretty sure they will continue to engineer and innovate new batteries. Not like we are carrying iPhone 11's with 5 Nokia3310 batteries attached to them.

  38. "Less than 5min" WRONG in practice when stations are busy. The preasure and buffer supply drops. Realisitcaly takes about 10 minutes for H2 refuel. Still much quicker than BEV at Public Charger, but its much slower then it takes to charge at home or work.

  39. We can't buy electric cars here in Malaysia is because of the greedy bumiputra malay wanting a pie in their own electrification!

  40. YOU ARE A JOKE. Hydrogen for cars died for a reason, you didn't do your homework and have completely no idea what you're talking about.

  41. I'll answer the question: because big oil and gas can fit the hydrogen business model into their systems, and will push hard for it regardless of whether it actually makes sense or not. They don't have any cards to play in the BEV space.

    Also: you didn't actually address any of the problems with hydrogen. Efficiency, lack of potential improvement, etc. One or two battery breakthroughs and it's a dead duck, because it has a low ceiling.

    Also a fact check: there are tens of millions of Tesla chargers in America. They're called power sockets. For 99% of daily trips it's all you need. 1 supercharger is the infrastructure equivalent to literally hundreds of HFC stations.

    But hey, HFC could well make sense for shipping, heavy haulage and aircraft, at least for a couple decades until batteries surpass them there too. Why not focus on those strengths?

  42. First things first, if charge time is small, then range anxiety is not a problem.. Next the cost pet mile is also important.. Can that be included??

  43. Why exactly does the range not increase beyond a certain weight of the battery? Isn't it a linear relation? I don't follow that graph at all!

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